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Ingame Community => News and Updates => Topic started by: OhhKarim on 02 07, 2019, 12:04:17 am
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Full explanation of the suggestion:
I'm suggesting to decrease the price of grenades/satchels back to $2000, they are currently $3000 per unit. The current $3000 per unit was suggested by Quartz in an 'effort' to decrease grenade spam in LV. We've now been playing with this update for over a year and clearly there has been no significant decrease in grenade spam. If anything, it has now only been harder for poorer players to fight, so it basically became more P2W which is something we should definitely avoid heading towards.
Tuesday 10th April 2018
- Increased price of grenades and satchels from $2000 to $3000. (Arran + Quartz)
The main thing we usually hear is 'then stop wasting money on grenades' not understanding that grenades spam have been happening since 2013 even before the instant switching binds and even still after the instant switching binds got removed recently, so this will not stop as this has become a casualty and completely fits with the standard of LV which is 'quality over quantity' where numbers shouldn't dictate who wins, rather skills. In case someone says grenades don't require skills, yeah you're wrong, I've seen plenty of LS'ers spamming grenades in LV Hospital and gaining zero kills. I've a video on my youtube channel as well in case necessary to prove and could upload more videos.
Brief explanation of the suggestion (in case TL;DR):
- Decrease the price of grenades/satchels back to $2000
The reasons as to why it should be decreased:
- There is an earnlimit of 360k per hour and the maximum we can earn now from turfs is 40k per 3 minutes, compared to the 80k per 3 minutes in the past. Therefore it's harder to earn money, thus having these explosives at $3000 is too expensive.
- The price was set to $3000 to prevent grenades spam, but that didn't happen, so that should already be enough to be reverted as it clearly didn't do as what was being suggested. LV players just love to use explosives, after all it's a chaotic city.
- By making an essential weapon so expensive, it's promoting a P2W playstyle which is not what we should be heading towards. Now rich players have a bigger advantage, it shouldn't be like that.
- The $3000 was suggested at the time when there was no explosive resistance, now, there is a /pr for 50% explosive resistance. Causing the explosives to do 30 damage after all resistances are being used. A weapon that does such low damage shouldn't be this expensive, ever. Honestly, the explosive resistance has done more efforts towards 'fixing grenades spam' than the $3000 price tag itself, considering it's not even worth it to buy explosives when having such high explosive resistance.
LV community support:
(https://i.ibb.co/qj39cJD/mta-screen-2019-06-16-15-18-28.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwcw8tw/mta-screen-2019-07-01-23-34-59.png)
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I agree since some LV players can't Afford to buy nades/satchels if this suggestion gets accepted it would be fair enough for LV players
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As a civilian, I would like to just state my opinion meanwhile I won't interfere in the voting process.
First, the unique style of our server was the various types of sides were all are required in your gameplay. And by saying so, I mean it's a part of the game where gangsters have to work to afford their daily gameplay in LV.
Second, I agree the update hasn't caused less spam in grenades, but I am sure returning it will cause explosives to be more common, more spammed.
Third, I was there when grenades used to cost 2,000$. But as payments increased, this update hasn't caused any change into our gameplay.
Explanation:
The most expensive vehicle back then was the Stafford to cost 2,500,000$ meanwhile the current costs more than 20 times more... and that proves that everything became more expensive just like how our job payments increased massively than the old CIT.
fourth, and just as you mentioned, it's already being spammed but not afforded by the minority. I am not positive with making it even more common.
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Well, we as LV Players like to play with satchels/nades a lot and this suggestion would make us save a little bit of money to buy nades/satchels on the next wars/trolls etc.
So why not. I support this suggest
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I believe this will increase the amount of spam, we need to find a solution to this as I see some players don't enjoy this spam.
for now, if this is what LV players want, then yeah I guess I have no problem with decreasing it.
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gangsters have to work to afford their daily gameplay in LV.
Except you don't earn shit from turfing anymore, the maximum turfing earning is 40k per 3 minutes, it used to be 80k per 3 minutes. Usually we don't earn any money from turfing because all our money gets wasted on ammunition. You are a civilian so you don't have to buy drugs, armor, ammunition, explosives, etc. You don't know how much money we lose, it's very hard to be able to buy these explosives.
Second, I agree the update hasn't caused less spam in grenades, but I am sure returning it will cause explosives to be more common, more spammed.
- First you agree that it didn't cause less spam
- Then you say returning it will cause more spam
How will it cause more spam, if the spam didn't even change? Are you listening to your own contradicting statement?
Third, I was there when grenades used to cost 2,000$. But as payments increased, this update hasn't caused any change into our gameplay.
Lmao, there are actually changes to the gameplay. We have an earn limit of 360k, we have a new cap of 40k per 3 minutes from turfing, and we earn less money from turfing because there are less players. We keep losing money, these explosives are too expensive. You are a civilian so you are not knowledged about the situation at all.
I believe this will increase the amount of spam, we need to find a solution to this as I see some players don't enjoy this spam.
for now, if this is what LV players want, then yeah I guess I have no problem with decreasing it.
1 - Having grenades set to $3000 didn't cause less grenade spam, so having it returned to $2000 will be the same. It will just allow everyone to use it, not just rich players.
2 - If players don't enjoy spam, then why don't they vote for the grenade delay in /pr? Because LV'ers like this spam.
3 - Yeah they want it, I clearly posted two screenshots of teamvotes, with 80-84% positive votes.
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Except you don't earn shit from turfing anymore, the maximum turfing earning is 40k per 3 minutes, it used to be 80k per 3 minutes. Usually we don't earn any money from turfing because all our money gets wasted on ammunition. You are a civilian so you don't have to buy drugs, armor, ammunition, explosives, etc. You don't know how much money we lose, it's very hard to be able to buy these explosives.
What I am trying to say, is that I was an LV player once and even so I ain't gonna interfere in the voting process because I am not atm.
All I meant by the line you quoted was that LV players were supposed to work, work as civilians, to afford their gameplay in LV.
I have been doing this back in time.
- First you agree that it didn't cause less spam
- Then you say returning it will cause more spam
How will it cause more spam, if the spam didn't even change? Are you listening to your own contradicting statement?
No idea how you see that contradicting, let me remind you of something:
fourth, and just as you mentioned, it's already being spammed but not afforded by the minority. I am not positive with making it even more common.
Simply, people who have been spamming this since the beginning didn't choose to stop after an increase in the payment, but I expect those who weren't to spam them at least would do it after such an update. It will become more common^^ more people will use it^^ causes it to be more spammed in LV^^.
And here you prove my contradicting statement yourself:
1 - Having grenades set to $3000 didn't cause less grenade spam, so having it returned to $2000 will be the same. It will just allow everyone to use it, not just rich players.
You said it, more will afford it.
Lmao, there are actually changes to the gameplay. We have an earn limit of 360k, we have a new cap of 40k per 3 minutes from turfing, and we earn less money from turfing because there are less players. We keep losing money, these explosives are too expensive. You are a civilian so you are not knowledged about the situation at all.
Earn limit isn't everything. There is an amount of money rolling in the server between players' hands. Back in time as you were talking, I would say... we had about 10 to 15 or 20 billions? Currently, we got maybe 40 to 50 billions rolling between players' hands?
Obviously, everyone has been rich, at least more than before. And even hydra is now common in LV, at least more than before.
1 - Having grenades set to $3000 didn't cause less grenade spam, so having it returned to $2000 will be the same. It will just allow everyone to use it, not just rich players.
2 - If players don't enjoy spam, then why don't they vote for the grenade delay in /pr? Because LV'ers like this spam.
3 - Yeah they want it, I clearly posted two screenshots of teamvotes, with 80-84% positive votes.
you can't base such updates by players' choice... I can open a voting if they would like a giveaway from the server of DL3 weekly, who would refuse? Players would obviously agree on anything that makes the gameplay easier, but not being aware of, that it may ruin the server.
I don't want to sound rude, but it's an opinion & a statement I wanted to clear.
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I have been doing this back in time.
Just because you've done it, doesn't mean others should too. We have a turfing system in LV to profit from instead of working boring jobs where you go rotate from X to Y place and click on pictures to get some iron for a whole hour, just to have this money wasted within 20 minutes.
let me remind you of something
So according to your logic, lets only allow rich players to spam grenades so that poorer players have no chance against them. That my friend, is called a P2W game which is not what we should be heading towards, which I already stated in my suggestion.
you can't base such updates by players' choice... I can open a voting if they would like a giveaway from the server of DL3 weekly, who would refuse? Players would obviously agree on anything that makes the gameplay easier, but not being aware of, that it may ruin the server.
No offense but that might actually be the worst argument I've ever heard. We can literally say this about every single update. Also, I think that there is a small difference, just veryyy small difference, between decreasing explosives by $1,000 compared to having a free $450,000,000 DL3 weekly. You know, the difference is only like $449,999,000, not that large or anything, very comparable right?
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It's not a P2W, it's a rp game.
It wasn't supposed to be a battle royal where you get your stuff during the battle.
You had and I see that you have to work to afford your gameplay.
Hey, I know my statement itself of the DL3 doesn't make any sense except one and is the one I wanted to clear...
Which is, not in all updates, players' choice is the right one. As they would every time go for an easier gameplay, and that's good, but not when it may ruin it for others.
If all LV players agree on this, then go ahead. You get the gameplay you enjoy, but all I wanted is to show a statement from another perspective.
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It's not a P2W, it's a rp game.
Where in the CIT server title do you see the word "roleplay" if I may ask? 'Cause this ain't a RP server at all. And it is P2W if changes are being made in favour of rich players only, that's literally what P2W means.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win
It wasn't supposed to be a battle royal where you get your stuff during the battle.
In battle royale you don't take the enemy's money, you take their stuff such as weapons, armor, etc. This doesn't happen in turfing, you just earn money so that we don't have to play boring jobs. There's no correlation at all being made with this reply.
Which is, not in all updates, players' choice is the right one. As they would every time go for an easier gameplay, and that's good, but not when it may ruin it for others.
I don't see how this will ruin the gameplay, it just makes it fairer to other players who are not as rich. At least prove your claims if you're going to make such assumptions. Fairness = abuse?
If all LV players agree on this, then go ahead. You get the gameplay you enjoy
Yeah.
LV community support:
(https://i.ibb.co/qj39cJD/mta-screen-2019-06-16-15-18-28.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwcw8tw/mta-screen-2019-07-01-23-34-59.png)
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Full explanation of the suggestion:
I'm suggesting to decrease the price of grenades/satchels back to $2000, they are currently $3000 per unit. The current $3000 per unit was suggested by Quartz in an 'effort' to decrease grenade spam in LV. We've now been playing with this update for over a year and clearly there has been no significant decrease in grenade spam. If anything, it has now only been harder for poorer players to fight, so it basically became more P2W which is something we should definitely avoid heading towards.
Tuesday 10th April 2018
- Increased price of grenades and satchels from $2000 to $3000. (Arran + Quartz)
The main thing we usually hear is 'then stop wasting money on grenades' not understanding that grenades spam have been happening since 2013 even before the instant switching binds and even still after the instant switching binds got removed recently, so this will not stop as this has become a casualty and completely fits with the standard of LV which is 'quality over quantity' where numbers shouldn't dictate who wins, rather skills. In case someone says grenades don't require skills, yeah you're wrong, I've seen plenty of LS'ers spamming grenades in LV Hospital and gaining zero kills. I've a video on my youtube channel as well in case necessary to prove and could upload more videos.
Brief explanation of the suggestion (in case TL;DR):
- Decrease the price of grenades/satchels back to $2000
The reasons as to why it should be decreased:
- There is an earnlimit of 360k per hour and the maximum we can earn now from turfs is 40k per 3 minutes, compared to the 80k per 3 minutes in the past. Therefore it's harder to earn money, thus having these explosives at $3000 is too expensive.
- The price was set to $3000 to prevent grenades spam, but that didn't happen, so that should already be enough to be reverted as it clearly didn't do as what was being suggested. LV players just love to use explosives, after all it's a chaotic city.
- By making an essential weapon so expensive, it's promoting a P2W playstyle which is not what we should be heading towards. Now rich players have a bigger advantage, it shouldn't be like that.
- The $3000 was suggested at the time when there was no explosive resistance, now, there is a /pr for 50% explosive resistance. Causing the explosives to do 30 damage after all resistances are being used. A weapon that does such low damage shouldn't be this expensive, ever. Honestly, the explosive resistance has done more efforts towards 'fixing grenades spam' than the $3000 price tag itself, considering it's not even worth it to buy explosives when having such high explosive resistance.
LV community support:
(https://i.ibb.co/qj39cJD/mta-screen-2019-06-16-15-18-28.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwcw8tw/mta-screen-2019-07-01-23-34-59.png)
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No. :cros:
Explosives are already being spammed enough, no need to decrease the price to have even more chaos. Any future explanation related to this subject is simply pointless as that's a rhetorical question.
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This has been open for almost a week, need some votes.
@HarwoodButcher @chaiNN# @Cristiano
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Explosives are already spammed enough, indicating no problems with money earning, as you've claimed above.
This guy has never heard of donating before. And:
- The price was set to $3000 to prevent grenades spam, but that didn't happen, so that should already be enough to be reverted as it clearly didn't do as what was being suggested. LV players just love to use explosives, after all it's a chaotic city.
- By making an essential weapon so expensive, it's promoting a P2W playstyle which is not what we should be heading towards. Now rich players have a bigger advantage, it shouldn't be like that.
Councillors are added to add what the community wants, but then they oppose what the community asks for, the funniest part is that it's from a civilian with clearly lack of LV knowledge.
Additionaly, the current competetive scene of LV is not intense.
I'm sure a KLM member can decide that. :thumb:
Therefore, capturing turfs, even whole LV, is something we experience many times, daily. So based on these factors, it's obvious that the price shouldn't be reduced.
What nonsense are you talking about?
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This guy has never heard of donating before. And:
Councillors are added to add what the community wants, but then they oppose what the community asks for, the funniest part is that it's from a civilian with clearly lack of LV knowledge.
I'm sure a KLM member can decide that. :thumb:
What nonsense are you talking about?
You realize you mentioned 2 KLM members to vote on your suggestion? So if they vote no you will tell them the same? Anyway I won't vote for now until I see more opinions.
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You realize you mentioned 2 KLM members to vote on your suggestion? So if they vote no you will tell them the same? Anyway I won't vote for now until I see more opinions.
Yeah but did they make false assumptions about LV? No. I'm not saying he's not allowed to vote, otherwise I wouldn't even mention them, but don't make false assumptions to mislead other councillors. Also he straight up ignored the reasons I stated, because they are literally answers to his statements. And lastly;
Councillors are added to add what the community wants, but then they oppose what the community asks for, the funniest part is that it's from a civilian with clearly lack of LV knowledge.
LV community support:
(https://i.ibb.co/qj39cJD/mta-screen-2019-06-16-15-18-28.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwcw8tw/mta-screen-2019-07-01-23-34-59.png)
But okay.
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:tick:
Well, we as LV Players like to play with satchels/nades a lot and this suggestion would make us save a little bit of money to buy nades/satchels on the next wars/trolls etc.
So why not. I support this suggest
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:cros:
There is already too much explosives spam with the current prices
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There is already too much explosives spam with the current prices
And the same thing was when it was $2000, so why increase the price? To make it harder for less rich players?
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:tick:
Many people can't afford 3000$, upvoted
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Negative: BlackyMan, Pepe, noD3
Positive: Dust, Ahmad L9, chaiNN#
Need more votes as I need +3 to accept it.
@Randy @WillyPoo @HarwoodButcher @eXpire
Please vote quickly so I can open new topics. Time's ticking, we got less than 2 weeks left. Don't forget that we're councillors to implement what the community wants.
(https://i.ibb.co/qj39cJD/mta-screen-2019-06-16-15-18-28.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwcw8tw/mta-screen-2019-07-01-23-34-59.png)
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:tick:
(https://i.ibb.co/qj39cJD/mta-screen-2019-06-16-15-18-28.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwcw8tw/mta-screen-2019-07-01-23-34-59.png)
If the LV community wants it, then let them have it I guess.
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:cros:
It isn't going to change much and I see no purpose in lowering the price of something to make it easier to access.
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:cros:
It isn't going to change much and I see no purpose in lowering the price of something to make it easier to access.
It will make it easier for new players to enjoy themselves and compete in LV's gameplay, right now nades price is ridiculously high and it doesn't allow for new players to compete/enjoy them selves - so if we're to please the community / give the community what they want we must:
Reduce nade price, 2000$ is still expensive 1500$ would be ideal << considering earning limit etc >>
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Anyway I won't vote for now until I see more opinions.
:tick: after reading other opinions ... let LV have it
It will make it easier for new players to enjoy themselves and compete in LV's gameplay, right now nades price is ridiculously high and it doesn't allow for new players to compete/enjoy them selves - so if we're to please the community / give the community what they want we must:
Reduce nade price, 2000$ is still expensive 1500$ would be ideal << considering earning limit etc >>
Lmao? 1,500$? What is the next proposal? 3,000$ RPG? And I wonder how your English skills got better since two days in every post you make :thonk:
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:tick:
The LV community supports such changes and 84% positive shows how they are trying hard to agree on it. This city is already dead, so why don't we try to revive it starting from this suggestion. Positive.
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Lmao? 1,500$? What is the next proposal? 3,000$ RPG? And I wonder how your English skills got better since two days in every post you make :thonk:
My english skills hasn't gotten better its just I am receiving help from friends... And if the LV community feels as though 3000$ per RPG is a suitable price then maybe we will do just what you have said
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My english skills hasn't gotten better its just I am receiving help from friends...
You have no idea how much I respect the truth! Starting from now, you got my respect.
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It will make it easier for new players to enjoy themselves and compete in LV's gameplay, right now nades price is ridiculously high and it doesn't allow for new players to compete/enjoy them selves
Well in that case, since LV has had a very low playercount lately, then I see no reason to restrict new players from joining it.
I'll change my vote to postive. :tick:
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Thanks guys for being kind enough to change opinions.
Negative: BlackyMan, Pepe, noD3
Positive: Dust, Ahmad L9, chaiNN#, HarwoodButcher, Randy, Shogun, Willypoo
Set to accepted with 7 positive votes (or 8 if you count mine too) and 3 negative votes, causing it to be +4.