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Title: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Denos on 05 09, 2023, 10:06:43 am
Suggestion is simple. Since Road Construction takes way longer than Houses, should count as 2 Tasks.

I timed myself doing both, I am L7, so I know how to do it well.

House: I can build house between 2:40-2:45 (min:sec)
Road Construction: One road is usually just over 5 min (last timed I did was 5:15)

Thoughts?
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: tobey on 05 09, 2023, 10:36:53 am
Fair imo  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Sawos on 05 09, 2023, 11:16:35 am
I like the idea but you know that doing road construction tasks gives more money since it takes more time than house task which is quite fair. Let's say your suggestion got implemented, I'm sure by then house construction tasks will be most likely neglected in my opinion.
Tell me what do you think?
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Denos on 05 09, 2023, 11:43:27 am
I like the idea but you know that doing road construction tasks gives more money since it takes more time than house task which is quite fair. Let's say your suggestion got implemented, I'm sure by then house construction tasks will be most likely neglected in my opinion.
Tell me what do you think?

Lot of people prefer houses cause you can do it fast. I dont think necessarily houses will be ignored if this is added, some like fast paced house build.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Sawos on 05 09, 2023, 03:04:53 pm
Lot of people prefer houses cause you can do it fast. I dont think necessarily houses will be ignored if this is added, some like fast paced house build.
if that so, i'm supporting this idea  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: TwCafe on 05 09, 2023, 04:19:30 pm
 :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: TheHacker on 05 09, 2023, 04:30:00 pm
Ok.  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: abdall2 on 05 09, 2023, 05:32:08 pm
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Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: RX1 on 05 09, 2023, 06:28:01 pm
Well it will be far becuase houses need  a lot of time to finish 1 task, it will be fair for double it.  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Dazzler. on 05 09, 2023, 06:47:31 pm
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Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Impostor on 05 09, 2023, 11:19:56 pm
Well it will be far becuase houses need  a lot of time to finish 1 task, it will be fair for double it.  :tick:
This doesn't make sense at all. It takes roughly 2 minutes to build a house.

The suggestion makes sense and would give road construction some extra relevance  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Denos on 05 09, 2023, 11:23:25 pm
This doesn't make sense at all. It takes roughly 2 minutes to build a house.

The suggestion makes sense and would give road construction some extra relevance  :tick:

I think he meant not alot xD

I agree with bold part alot. I like doing road construction, but hard to justify doing it for just more pay when I can build 2-3 houses in same time that I could do 1 road job.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Snow. on 06 09, 2023, 01:14:36 am
  Seems good for me  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Amman on 06 09, 2023, 01:34:26 am
 :tick:

Agreed, road construction tasks are interactive and fun to do but take quite long compared to building a house.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Denos on 06 09, 2023, 02:22:31 am
:tick:

Agreed, road construction tasks are interactive and fun to do but take quite long compared to building a house.

point I did forget to state, house building is quite fast, but can get incredibly boring fast. Least with road construction you can move around and do more than just click a mouse almost 50x.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Wish' on 06 09, 2023, 03:29:27 am
 :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Coke on 06 09, 2023, 04:26:02 am
I tried to explain this to the job developer long time ago, it turns out road construction is for earning money, and house construction is for XP.

We need output from @Senza
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Metall on 06 09, 2023, 05:27:06 am
Good idea, road construction part is way more enjoyable than the house construction in the long term but as you said takes longer time to do, buffing the XP won't do any harm.  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Denos on 07 09, 2023, 03:02:21 am
I tried to explain this to the job developer long time ago, it turns out road construction is for earning money, and house construction is for XP.

We need output from Senza

If anything maybe make it a choice, where you can choose extra money or double xp.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: InVadeR on 07 09, 2023, 03:07:21 am
fair enough  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Violet on 07 09, 2023, 04:43:33 pm
Road construction missions take longer than house building missions, which is why they pay more money as a reward. However, it is still in the process of becoming semi-active, and it appears nice to me, thats why I am L10 at it. I agree that providing you 2 xp will have no effect on the house building mission or whatever its name is.
That's needed tbh.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: gq on 07 09, 2023, 05:47:15 pm
Fair idea, I wanna see this one on the server and enjoy it, I'm going Positive.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: ValHalla on 08 09, 2023, 03:09:38 am
Good idea :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Denos on 08 09, 2023, 11:51:30 am
Road construction missions take longer than house building missions, which is why they pay more money as a reward. However, it is still in the process of becoming semi-active, and it appears nice to me, thats why I am L10 at it. I agree that providing you 2 xp will have no effect on the house building mission or whatever its name is.
That's needed tbh.

I hardly see anyone doing road construction now, houses best way to get promoted, but so boring.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Ace on 08 09, 2023, 05:15:54 pm
Suggestion is simple. Since Road Construction takes way longer than Houses, should count as 2 Tasks.

I timed myself doing both, I am L7, so I know how to do it well.

House: I can build house between 2:40-2:45 (min:sec)
Road Construction: One road is usually just over 5 min (last timed I did was 5:15)

Thoughts?

So I've actually had this idea on my mind myself for about two weeks, I even recorded some videos as evidence to argue my case, but I've been too busy to get around to making this thread.

I'm well past L10 city engineer, and I've been practising both kinds of task to get them as fast as possible. Please see the following statistics and videos:

Fastest house construction: 2 minutes and 11 seconds
Show content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmox-vC3eHs


Fastest road construction: 4 minutes and 17 seconds
Show content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFv3pUMu64g


That is to say that Road construction takes approximately 2x the time as house construction, even when power gaming them.

I have no hesitation in putting my full support behind this suggestion, and had you not have made it, I would have made it myself today.

Positive  :tick: :tick: :tick: 

Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Private on 08 09, 2023, 05:33:26 pm
I became L10 City Engineer just by doing house tasks, because road construction takes too long and isn't rewarding well for it's time.

Your suggestion makes sense. Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Ace on 08 09, 2023, 05:49:13 pm
I became L10 City Engineer just by doing house tasks, because road construction takes too long and isn't rewarding well for it's time.

Your suggestion makes sense. Positive  :tick:

This thread isn't really about the rewards, though, it's about the progress.
if we take our 131 seconds for house construction and 247 seconds for road construction as a guide, we see the following:

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55,440 / 131 = 423$ / second
90,720 /247 = 367$ / second

So you are correct that road construction appears to be underpaying for the time that it takes, relative to house construction, however I don't think this is what denos was going for in this thread.

Edit: please note, I didn't control for pms in these calculations, your mileage may vary. Also note that this doesnt account for travel times which are a factor in road construction but not in house contruction.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Jaguar. on 08 09, 2023, 06:26:46 pm
 :tick: :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Elysia on 09 09, 2023, 02:48:18 pm
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Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Private on 09 09, 2023, 03:15:38 pm
This thread isn't really about the rewards, though, it's about the progress.
if we take our 131 seconds for house construction and 247 seconds for road construction as a guide, we see the following:

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55,440 / 131 = 423$ / second
90,720 /247 = 367$ / second

So you are correct that road construction appears to be underpaying for the time that it takes, relative to house construction, however I don't think this is what denos was going for in this thread.

Edit: please note, I didn't control for pms in these calculations, your mileage may vary. Also note that this doesnt account for travel times which are a factor in road construction but not in house contruction.

I didin't intend to mean the money thing, which is the first thing someone would think by seeing the word reward, but actually the fact you get 1 task for the time you spent constructing a road (what Denos said). I don't know if that phrase I used in my previous post is seen in English, since it's not my main language, but in mine we have it.  :o7:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: InFocus on 10 09, 2023, 08:32:38 am
Fair enough, Road construction takes much longer then the house construction, and the road construction is much fun then the house construction. :tick:
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: farm on 11 09, 2023, 12:51:06 am
 :tick:

House construction tasks are the clear best as they level up the player significantly faster and they pay the player faster ($/min). This change would make the progress more balanced across the activities.
Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: TwCafe on 12 09, 2023, 12:31:06 pm
22 positive votes. Marked as MP.
Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Reign on 12 09, 2023, 02:33:57 pm
I like to try all of the jobs from time to time, so yeah I agree  road construction takes much more time.   :tick: :tick:
Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Senza on 17 09, 2023, 01:45:34 pm
@Brian, can you do this?
Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: TwCafe on 19 09, 2023, 04:11:54 pm
23 positive votes. Still MP.
Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Earl. on 25 09, 2023, 07:39:31 am
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Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Scholes on 26 09, 2023, 04:15:22 am
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Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: CoPe. on 26 09, 2023, 04:17:27 am
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Title: Re: [++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Safwan on 26 09, 2023, 04:40:54 am
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Title: Re: [+++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Violet on 26 09, 2023, 04:42:15 am
26 v 1. Marked as HP.
Title: Re: [+++] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Terry on 26 09, 2023, 02:40:49 pm
That's fairly right that's why I noticed most of players build houses to win time to make more XP so I agree with what Deno said I upvote this one  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: 3eNab on 28 09, 2023, 04:57:29 am
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Title: Re: City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Uzaki on 01 10, 2023, 01:41:54 pm
I like the idea but you know that doing road construction tasks gives more money since it takes more time than house task which is quite fair. Let's say your suggestion got implemented, I'm sure by then house construction tasks will be most likely neglected in my opinion.
Tell me what do you think?

Honestly as a seasoned civilian myself, I dont see people playing civ for money to be honest - particularly if that player is way over  20 hours. They usually just play it to lvlup their civ jobs for certain reasons such as group or position application. And if actually consider the time to travel + the mentioned duration per project that denos mentioned, actually covers the miniscule difference in pay. House building asks makes has the priviledge to stay in one play by doing UAV, when they finish they simply do /tasks to get a new house. Road construction on the other hand, travels from place to place.

So, I fairly believe giving a little boost for the road construction would be alright.  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Predator on 01 10, 2023, 06:39:02 pm
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Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: iFighTeR7 on 02 10, 2023, 04:36:17 am
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Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Momen. on 02 10, 2023, 05:09:44 am
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Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: LoneBiker on 02 10, 2023, 01:32:45 pm
thats more fair , Positive
Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: DeathWish on 02 10, 2023, 01:33:42 pm
 :tick: :tick:

I have felt that road construction isn't worth it, it's more work for the same XP I believe this would help a lot in making road construction actually played
Title: Re: [+++][B] City Engineer: Road Construction counts as 2 Tasks
Post by: Arran on 10 10, 2023, 03:42:09 pm
Tuesday 10th October 2023
- CITy Engineer road construction will count as 2 tasks completed. (Arran + Denos)