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Title: [+++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Metall on 18 10, 2023, 11:34:37 pm
My suggestion is to add additional time penalty for cops trying to enter AR area when danger level is below these levels. This is to ensure that when cops side heavily outnumber the criminal side, additional crims should have time to respond to the AR before the cops are allowed to enter, otherwise we end up in situations like I've seen all day today when as soon as cops can enter they clear the AR in a matter of a very short time.

When Danger Level < 1.0 give police extra 40 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 260 seconds left of the AR.
When Danger Level <= 0.8 give police extra 60 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 240 seconds left of the AR.
When Danger Level <= 0.6 give police extra 80 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 220 seconds left of the AR.

If you feel these times are unfair in any way or have a better idea for what times and danger levels are suitable please comment below before just downvoting. I asked around a few highly ranked police officers and they told me what the danger levels looked like when cops usually outnumber criminals so these numbers are not out of the blue.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Manaa on 18 10, 2023, 11:48:42 pm
I support this proposal and it will give more enjoyment to (AR)  :tick: :tick:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Waltz on 18 10, 2023, 11:51:28 pm
Completely upvoting, it's really annoying when they crack every single CE in a heartbeat. This one will help us even a bit and it'll make both sides more equal from my point of view thus I am positive :tick:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: DeathWish on 19 10, 2023, 01:12:58 am
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My vote is Negative  :cros:

As I discussed with you IG the times are unreasonable, the danger levels easily reaches 0.8 these days which means criminals get an extra 60 seconds to rob before cops enter which means they get to rob till 240 seconds uninterrupted by cops

lets do some math the AR is 420 seconds long and I did a little testing to check how much time it would take a criminal to /rt and drive to an AR location. I went to GT where it's a bit a secluded and there's not really any spawns near it atleast for me, it took me 30 seconds to /rt and drive there and start robbing even with my shitty driving so I will be starting to rob at 390 seconds.

390 (time left for the AR to end) - 180 (time for you to rob) = 210 which leaves cops with 30 seconds to enter and AR area and clear it completely which sounds a lot when you hear the danger level is 0.8 or lower and cops must be cracking as hell but not really
an hour ago there were 8 cops active and 6 criminals robbing Vagos House, which means the danger level was below 0.8 and the first criminal died at 180 seconds inside Vagos House which means that a criminal could have been late up until 360 seconds to start robbing and he would've been fine.

And if the danger level is less than 0.6? oh well then a criminal can rob once without shooting a single shot or being shot by cops which is ridiculous, basically free money for AKFING inside an AR

I gave a worst case scenario here with the times to start robbing and it's still shows how unbalanced this suggestion is and how it will fuck up ARs for cops since they can't do anything and criminals can rob once without being touched by a cop so basically a free rob.

I talked with Metall IG and suggested the times be changed to
When Danger Level < 1.0 give police extra 20 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 280 seconds left of the AR.
When Danger Level < 0.8 give police extra 40 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 260 seconds left of the AR.
When Danger Level < 0.6 give police extra 60 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 240 seconds left of the AR.
When Danger Level < 0.4 give police extra 80 seconds time penalty. Meaning they can't enter until there is 220 seconds left of the AR.

The times I gave seem very fair for both criminals and cops and if Metall decides to change the times to the time I gave I'm willing to vote positive on this suggestion

I have decided to vote  :tick: :tick: in the hopes this will bring up the criminal activity
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Metall on 19 10, 2023, 01:26:04 am

390 (time left for the AR to end) - 180 (time for you to rob) = 210 which leaves cops with 30 seconds to enter and AR area and clear it completely which sounds a lot when you hear the danger level is 0.8 or lower and cops must be cracking as hell but not really
an hour ago there were 8 cops active and 6 criminals robbing Vagos House, which means the danger level was below 0.8 and the first criminal died at 180 seconds inside Vagos House which means that a criminal could have been late up until 360 seconds to start robbing and he would've been fine.

And if the danger level is less than 0.6? oh well then a criminal can rob once without shooting a single shot or being shot by cops which is ridiculous, basically free money for AKFING inside an AR

You make it sound like criminals can magically appear at the AR after it starts. Right now ingame after PB CE event finished, there was a message that DPD AR was starting. I was inside my car and drove there immediately, but I did not arrive until there was 360 seconds left of the AR. 360 seconds left - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left of AR, meaning even if Danger level is <0.6 you would have had 40 seconds to enter the AR and kill him, at the time when the cop penalty is at the absolute highest.

The first criminals most often arrive at around 360-380 seconds left of the AR, if they are responding immediately when the AR starts. Most actually arrive later, so saying that criminals will get a free rob without cops being able to touch them is not true.

Danger Level <1.0 = 360 seconds arrived at AR - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left. Meaning you have 80 seconds to kill the criminal from when you are able to enter.
Danger Level <=0.8 = 360 seconds arrived at AR - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left. Meaning you have 60 seconds to kill the criminal from when you are able to enter.
Danger Level <=0.6 = 360 seconds arrived at AR - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left. Meaning you have 40 seconds to kill the criminal from when you are able to enter.

And when Danger Level is at 0.6, I'd say on average cops take around 30 seconds to clear an AR if they are fast and organized.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: redox on 19 10, 2023, 01:44:14 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: JimMys on 19 10, 2023, 02:01:48 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: tobey on 19 10, 2023, 03:18:40 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Ace on 19 10, 2023, 03:26:30 am
ok so I'll start of by Saying that I absolutely hate the danger level mechanic affecting cnr. I wouldn't want to lend any legitimacy to it by upvoting your suggestion. Store robberies have been absolutely decimated. Very rarely is robbing stores worth your time these days because either cops are cracking and you won't get robs or cops are inactive and the robberies take far too long. You might only get 2 hours in a 24h period where it's actually balanced.

The system also discourages play on the server. If there's already a bunch of criminals online then it isn't worth my time to rob stores. When cops are cracking it isn't worth it to attend cnr either as I'll fail every ar and not be able to rob a single store. I'm not allowed to switch sides either so my only option is just to just get off and play something else.

If I were mean spirited I would want to inflict the same torture on cops that we experience daily on criminal side and upvote this but I don't think it would be healthy for the game.

Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: MadaFuq on 19 10, 2023, 03:36:09 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Tripp on 19 10, 2023, 05:45:27 am
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when law side number out numbers crim side, I stop going to arl and only goto CE since AR is unplayable without anti-rush protection. of course during those times after CE ends there is always 20 cops camping outside CE making it not so fun either so I normally don't play long before finding something else to do
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: InFocus on 19 10, 2023, 10:18:42 am
Fair enough, will make CnR more enjoyable and fair for both sides since criminals been getting outnumbered in ARs lately. :tick:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: ComptoN on 19 10, 2023, 12:29:54 pm
Voting positive for this as indeed chwn cops really regroup we as criminals almost stand no chance, escpecially when they even out the numbers of paricipants in the AR, excluding the snipers surrounding it from a distance.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: DeathWish on 19 10, 2023, 03:59:26 pm
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You make it sound like criminals can magically appear at the AR after it starts. Right now ingame after PB CE event finished, there was a message that DPD AR was starting. I was inside my car and drove there immediately, but I did not arrive until there was 360 seconds left of the AR. 360 seconds left - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left of AR, meaning even if Danger level is <0.6 you would have had 40 seconds to enter the AR and kill him, at the time when the cop penalty is at the absolute highest.

The first criminals most often arrive at around 360-380 seconds left of the AR, if they are responding immediately when the AR starts. Most actually arrive later, so saying that criminals will get a free rob without cops being able to touch them is not true.

Danger Level <1.0 = 360 seconds arrived at AR - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left. Meaning you have 80 seconds to kill the criminal from when you are able to enter.
Danger Level <=0.8 = 360 seconds arrived at AR - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left. Meaning you have 60 seconds to kill the criminal from when you are able to enter.
Danger Level <=0.6 = 360 seconds arrived at AR - 180 seconds rob time = 180 seconds left. Meaning you have 40 seconds to kill the criminal from when you are able to enter.

And when Danger Level is at 0.6, I'd say on average cops take around 30 seconds to clear an AR if they are fast and organized.

First you have to understand I'm not against you suggestion I just think the times you presented are huge and I believe the numbers I gave are fair for both sides criminals and cops

Taking into consideration the times you gave at around 0.8 danger level today it took us around 80-100 seconds to clean out each AR when it was 0.6 it took us around 40-50 seconds taking that into consideration with the times you gave

That means if the danger level was 0.8 cops will be able to enter the AR area around 260 seconds so the time needed to clear the AR will be around 160-180 seconds again it's right on the dot and it's tricky as I said the difference between cops and criminals at 0.8 danger level is like 3-4 players which isn't a lot and we just can't rush inside and take out everyone in 30 seconds like you said because even with organization the cop side has a big amount of new players

A common ground and a fair trade for both sides is 20 40 60 seconds as I mentioned above.

Again the suggestion is great IMO and needed but the times you have given are a lot not to mention you are restricting cops gameplay by an extra minute or more and nobody loves such restrictions
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Metall on 19 10, 2023, 04:13:09 pm
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First you have to understand I'm not against you suggestion I just think the times you presented are huge and I believe the numbers I gave are fair for both sides criminals and cops

Taking into consideration the times you gave at around 0.8 danger level today it took us around 80-100 seconds to clean out each AR when it was 0.6 it took us around 40-50 seconds taking that into consideration with the times you gave

That means if the danger level was 0.8 cops will be able to enter the AR area around 260 seconds so the time needed to clear the AR will be around 160-180 seconds again it's right on the dot and it's tricky as I said the difference between cops and criminals at 0.8 danger level is like 3-4 players which isn't a lot and we just can't rush inside and take out everyone in 30 seconds like you said because even with organization the cop side has a big amount of new players

A common ground and a fair trade for both sides is 20 40 60 seconds as I mentioned above.

Again the suggestion is great IMO and needed but the times you have given are a lot not to mention you are restricting cops gameplay by an extra minute or more and nobody loves such restrictions

You make it sound like it's every cops absolute right to clear every AR long before it ends, it is not. Clearing every AR before it ends means there are no wanted criminals moving between AR - AR, there is less stimulation on the CnR, no criminals going for APB and so on.. The times you specified are too low and won't make any or low difference. This is because the whole point of this suggestion is to attract more criminals to come to the AR because when cops clear them in a matter of 30-50 seconds, criminals stop going to the AR and the situation worsens. And then you end up like a situation I've seen recently, where criminals simply stop playing ARs and only wait for CEs... thats not how its supposed to be.

And when more criminals decide to play the ARs more, the danger levels will go up and at times possibly this suggestion won't even be in effect.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: ComptoN on 20 10, 2023, 11:52:21 am
It hasn't been 40 seconds in the Armed Robbery, yet it was already surrounded by 12 cops vs the first criminal attendant.

Witnessing this, some of people who downvoted this suggestion are biased cops who see this as a farm locker, knowing how much in favor some of the recent CnR updates for their side were. The CnR is becoming unbalanced, I mean how rare would we see an AR that ends in a minute, with an average/bit less criminal activity?

I am gonna just put this clip here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KB7iF6D_WQ
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Axe on 20 10, 2023, 12:30:21 pm
Plus 1
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: IamAhmed on 20 10, 2023, 02:15:59 pm
no its bad  :cros:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Thug on 20 10, 2023, 02:50:57 pm
Lately we've been getting cleared in AR's when the criminals are not really active and just staying afk somewhere so I'll be supporting that idea since It's needed to create balance between both sides in AR's.  :tick:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Marry on 20 10, 2023, 04:01:00 pm
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Nobody_ on 20 10, 2023, 04:20:45 pm
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: MG on 20 10, 2023, 06:18:16 pm
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Smith. on 21 10, 2023, 06:53:13 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: ValHalla on 22 10, 2023, 01:21:53 pm
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Khaled. on 22 10, 2023, 02:27:57 pm
I think cops gonna crack more and if theyre less criminals even not that less they gonna lose every armed robbery even iam cop but I love to see all sides ballenced in the game
negative   :cros:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Hyfa on 22 10, 2023, 06:49:18 pm
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Metall on 22 10, 2023, 08:16:17 pm
I think cops gonna crack more and if theyre less criminals even not that less they gonna lose every armed robbery even iam cop but I love to see all sides ballenced in the game
negative   :cros:

That's what I am suggesting, these restrictions only apply when cops outnumber the criminal side, to prevent cops cracking ARs in a short amount of time.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: SP@wn on 25 10, 2023, 06:06:19 am
pretty much reasonable but the numbers that you are presenting are high to be honest what deathwish said is pretty fair

A common ground and a fair trade for both sides is 20 40 60 seconds as I mentioned above.

Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: KaceM on 25 10, 2023, 09:26:53 am
Cops always enter the ARs and clear them quickly, This will help us to rob once at least. Positive
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Violet on 25 10, 2023, 02:14:19 pm
I think cops gonna crack more and if theyre less criminals even not that less they gonna lose every armed robbery even iam cop but I love to see all sides ballenced in the game
negative   :cros:
It seems like anessery change for system we've been using for years
negative :cros:
You aren't allowed to vote twice on the same suggestion, Read board & Forum rules before posting.
@Khaled.

After reviewing your suggestion, we obtained the following results:

- 18 positive votes.
- 4 negative votes.

Stays as neutral.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: abdall2 on 25 10, 2023, 06:54:27 pm
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: InVadeR on 01 11, 2023, 03:15:03 pm
no more cracking after this idea  :tick:
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Elysia on 01 11, 2023, 11:45:41 pm
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Post by: WizarD on 02 11, 2023, 12:23:06 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: SCHOOLING SIR on 02 11, 2023, 12:42:35 am
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Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Boles on 02 11, 2023, 05:51:05 pm
 :tick: The cops waiting outside CE and not enter should also be discussed.
Title: Re: When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Violet on 02 11, 2023, 10:37:35 pm
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Voting twice isn't allowed, Read board & Forum rules before posting next time. @mehdi.gzr

After reviewing your suggestion, we obtained the following results:

- 23 positive votes.
- 5 negative votes.

Marked as Low priority.
Title: Re: [+] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: -PiQue'3- on 03 11, 2023, 05:18:03 am
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Title: Re: [+] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Taeko. on 03 11, 2023, 03:44:20 pm
When cops are cracking they can easily wipe ARs out without crims even realizing it. This suggestion would make it fair for both sides, crims would have the time to prepare and maybe even rob once, and the cops only need to wait a bit more to enter before clearing the whole AR out in seconds.  :tick:
Title: Re: [+] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Violet on 09 11, 2023, 06:27:58 am
After reviewing your suggestion, we obtained the following results:

- 25 positive votes.
- 5 negative votes.

Marked as Medium priority.
Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Matt on 09 11, 2023, 06:32:46 pm
Seems reasonable. Got nothing more to add since people said everything before me. I'm :tick:
Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Stolenn on 10 11, 2023, 09:45:49 am
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Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: (Pro)Hunter on 14 11, 2023, 03:45:44 am
Positive
As a cop, I'd say it'd be fair to give criminals a bit of a breather when the odds are stacked against them. Of course, the timer amounts should be checked to see if they still remain balanced in real life cases.
Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Uzaki on 14 11, 2023, 08:28:03 am
You can tell a cop not to respond in a gun fight, do you? Like Aye piggy here's a doughnut take a rest and don't respond yet.

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Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Blue. on 14 11, 2023, 09:30:04 am
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Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Boles on 14 11, 2023, 11:19:01 pm
You can tell a cop not to respond in a gun fight, do you? Like Aye piggy here's a doughnut take a rest and don't respond yet.

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Because they "cheat" it. And are there before crims even have time to show up. Or with such numbers u cant even rob anymore. Seen it many times
Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Violet on 16 11, 2023, 10:43:04 pm
After reviewing your suggestion, we obtained the following results:

- 29 positive votes.
- 6 negative votes.

Stays as Medium priority.
Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: DarkSide on 16 11, 2023, 11:01:35 pm
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Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Dragon on 16 11, 2023, 11:11:18 pm
ARs getting cleared in a matter of 20 seconds is annoying for both criminals and cops, specifically criminals because cops just keep camping inside the AR area not giving a chance to any criminal to rob the AR, this happens mostly at night and it literally kills the CnR scene.

Strongly upvoting this one. :tick:
Title: Re: [++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Violet on 16 11, 2023, 11:13:51 pm
After reviewing your suggestion, we obtained the following results:

- 31 positive votes.
- 6 negative votes.

Marked as High priority.
Title: Re: [+++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: LuaR on 16 11, 2023, 11:29:40 pm
When cops cracking and ARs get cleared out after just 5-10sec from starting it doesn't became CnR no more because me and the most of the criminals stop playing till cops go off lol, because why would I play to get killed after sec from me getting wanted or reaching the AR and not even giving me a chance to even rob it, its just annoying thing and just make crims stop attending ARs and CEs and cause to kill the CnR activity.
Positive.
Title: Re: [+++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: iMazen on 19 11, 2023, 02:16:21 pm
I think adding an additional time sentence for the cops is a good idea because sometimes when the cops outnumber the criminals they often go to AR and end it before it starts.  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: DeathWish on 21 11, 2023, 12:39:42 pm
This suggestion should be locked now since a similar one was added

Ramos suggested something and it was added basically it made it so that when danger level is low rob time for criminals is a lot lower than 3 minutes so if this was to be added it would be very unfair.

For example lets say danger level is 0.8 which means rob time would be around 140 seconds lets take into consideration that the player started robbing at 360 seconds which means he'll be done at 220 seconds left so according to Metall suggestion cops won't be able to enter untill it's 240 seconds which means the criminal needs to run around for 20 seconds in AR area which is extremely easy to do so this suggestion now with Ramos's suggestion will unbalance CnR as a whole and should be rejected
Title: Re: [+++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Violet on 21 11, 2023, 11:01:14 pm
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This suggestion should be locked now since a similar one was added

Ramos suggested something and it was added basically it made it so that when danger level is low rob time for criminals is a lot lower than 3 minutes so if this was to be added it would be very unfair.

For example lets say danger level is 0.8 which means rob time would be around 140 seconds lets take into consideration that the player started robbing at 360 seconds which means he'll be done at 220 seconds left so according to Metall suggestion cops won't be able to enter untill it's 240 seconds which means the criminal needs to run around for 20 seconds in AR area which is extremely easy to do so this suggestion now with Ramos's suggestion will unbalance CnR as a whole and should be rejected

@Magneto idk if this should be moved to news and updates but I will stay it locked until any further action.
Also,
- Armed robberies can be up to 30% faster or 30% slower depending on danger level. (Arran + RaMoS)
Title: Re: [+++] When danger level <1.0 cops are given additional time penalty to enter AR
Post by: Nuko on 24 11, 2023, 08:39:45 pm
Sunday 19th November 2023
- Armed robberies can be up to 30% faster or 30% slower depending on danger level. (Arran + RaMoS)