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Title: [Resolved] Secret Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 07 12, 2012, 02:54:11 am
Hello ladies and gentlemen
I'm back ^^
Well, I have a suggestion.
Today when I logged on the server, I realized that our KDR is secret now, so I asked myself:
-Why?
Then a staff told me that it would be to avoid concerns about KDR, and then I thought that was a good idea, we will not see many more Random Killers.
But then I saw that the number of deaths and kills, is not secret, ie, the change was pointless because you simply divide the number of Kills by the number of deaths, and you will know the KDR of another player.
So my suggestion is to let the number of deaths must be secret too.

Regards

Edited to hide just Deaths
/discuss
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: SpecialK on 07 12, 2012, 03:01:12 am
I think seeing number of kills is interesting, but disabling number of deaths should do the trick
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Johnson on 07 12, 2012, 03:05:27 am
Thank God a Good Idea to solve Misconduct Behaviors Related to KDR
Keep it Kicking +1
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Irals on 07 12, 2012, 05:46:54 am
Yeah, it's kind of weird... You can see your Kills & Deths is the some as K/D ratio
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 07 12, 2012, 09:55:21 am
I think seeing number of kills is interesting, but disabling number of deaths should do the trick

In my opinion both should disable because getting kills, is a influences to do random kill.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Ghost05 on 07 12, 2012, 10:03:18 am
yea,I was going to suggest this,I don't understand you certainly but disable kills and deaths too.+1
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Eduard on 07 12, 2012, 10:13:46 am
Kryza alwaysz has perfect ideas , your suggest is good also it'd make /stats more realistic
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: tays0n# on 07 12, 2012, 11:17:01 am
I liked your idea since there isn't a KDR so should it disabled.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: DeadWolf on 07 12, 2012, 11:20:38 am
I think seeing number of kills is interesting, but disabling number of deaths should do the trick
I am absolutely agree with you,seeing kills in stats are more interesting than deaths.Also deaths ain't important as kills.

Sincerely Rampage.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 08 12, 2012, 01:48:01 am
Well, KDR is already disabled for a reason, for this reason, the Kills and Deaths must also be disabled.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Haftbefehl on 08 12, 2012, 02:18:07 am
In my opinion, Kill/Death should remain - That's the only stat, which give a Feedback about the Player and help a leader to decide about a application.
But when it should be disabled, it should there be a way to still access stats for themselves.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 08 12, 2012, 02:28:49 am
In my opinion, Kill/Death should remain - That's the only stat, which give a Feedback about the Player and help a leader to decide about a application.
But when it should be disabled, it should there be a way to still access stats for themselves.
You certainly should have a stats person, something that is not shared with everyone, but just disable the KDR, as was done, is useless, because you simply divide the kills by deaths, and you will have the result of KDR.

My suggestion is based on this.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Ct on 08 12, 2012, 02:50:30 am
I would like it if deaths were just disabled,that could help out with gangs who recruit (Used to be KD/R and now maybe kills?) just my opinion though,ill still +1 this.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: [email protected] on 08 12, 2012, 03:42:45 am
I was about to come up with this idea....they just see our kills and deaths and divide it with calculator of cit phone...and find players with low kdr and call them for duel.... +1
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Akshat on 08 12, 2012, 10:21:14 am
My idea is that the players decide to keep thier Kill and Death secret or not. We can apply this for Kdr too.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: commandos on 08 12, 2012, 10:42:48 am
I was going to ask question about this why KDR is SECRET while kills and deaths still known , but I think it should make deaths secret only not kills , disabling kills  'll make people judge on players with their play hours(check gangs applications u 'll see that they Raised the wanted hours to join )  and more playtime does not mean player is Pro ! :\
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 08 12, 2012, 06:18:50 pm
You all do not understand, KDR was disabled to stop with "Random killers" (who wanna just improve his kills killing all guys in LV), but the kills and deaths are not SECRET, with this, KDR secret is useless.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 08 12, 2012, 06:27:31 pm
You don't understand. Why should we stop the random killers in LV? LOL. LV should be chaos not a chill city. Stay in LS if you want to avoid being killed. EASY
Well, you know why KDR is SECRET?

Btw, I agree with the KDR secret.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 08 12, 2012, 06:35:14 pm
So?  IF THE KDR IS SECRET WE SHOULD MAKE ALL THE THINGS SECRET? Lol. What's the point in having them if they're secret? This suggestion is just dumb and is accepted by the guys with WEAK  stats.
You know my stats, KDR 2.30 and some more stuff, but keep it a secret would end with "RANDOM KILLERS" like I said, if you do not know the reason why KDR is disabled do not post here anymore.
Edit:
Quote
No more worrying about KDR, we've disabled it in QCK and public stats!
But yet we know KDR of all player, as I said, just divide the Kills by Deaths and BOOM = KDR.
If you still do not understand, your problem is.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Zach on 08 12, 2012, 06:50:48 pm
Why don't we disable arrest points and arrests to stop arrest-point farming.

Please, just no.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 08 12, 2012, 07:04:21 pm
Why don't we disable arrest points and arrests to stop arrest-point farming.

Please, just no.
KDR is already SECRET for a reason, Kills and Deaths should be SECRET for this same reason.

This is easy to understand, I'll not reply more questions like this
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Zach on 08 12, 2012, 07:08:10 pm
KDR is already SECRET for a reason, Kills and Deaths should be SECRET for this same reason.

This is easy to understand, I'll not reply more questions like this

Actually, mine was referring to the similarities between arrest points and kdr.
If this get's disabled, why not disable apar or arrest-points, cause that's how stupid this sounds.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Quad on 08 12, 2012, 10:03:13 pm
Just like SpecialK said, making the deaths secret could help.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Srbinsegal on 08 12, 2012, 11:41:51 pm
Everyone likes to see how much ppl he killed :) But Krzyza is right, kdr is just kills/deaths. Better solution is to just hide deaths too.
Title: Re: Secret Kills and Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 09 12, 2012, 12:02:21 am
Sure, this was changed to just hide deaths.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: G.Recon on 09 12, 2012, 05:22:46 am
I reckon they should just disable deaths as well... some people like to brag how much kills they have... So they should keep the number of kills. The deaths are usually ignored, and we usually care about it at all. We use /kill all the time and every /kill counts as 1 death. So if people keep on doing that, then they are basically ruining their KDRs. They probably didn't put the kills and deaths a secret because it would probably help official gangs(HoBoS, Camorra, NorthSideMafia) find out the player's KDR (if they haven't changed their application formats).
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Ex_TcR on 09 12, 2012, 07:16:44 am
Hello ladies and gentlemen
I'm back ^^
Well, I have a suggestion.
Today when I logged on the server, I realized that our KDR is secret now, so I asked myself:
-Why?
Then a staff told me that it would be to avoid concerns about KDR, and then I thought that was a good idea, we will not see many more Random Killers.
But then I saw that the number of deaths and kills, is not secret, ie, the change was pointless because you simply divide the number of Kills by the number of deaths, and you will know the KDR of another player.
So my suggestion is to let the number of deaths must be secret too.

Regards

Edited to hide just Deaths
/discuss
Yes it is really good for all of us because We can really find our KDR by dividing kill/deaths to find our KDR and it will really not decrease the random killings and the good gangs will also say simply
Kills must be more than deaths
and in that case the players will not stop random killing and will increase their kills
SO same suggestion from  me that Deaths must be SECRET also and will really decrease the random killings.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Ryan. on 09 12, 2012, 07:28:33 am
Thanx for this because I was thinking same thing and was about to suggest and got here and saw it...
Bcz it is just simple to get KDR with KILLS and DEATHS and I was also in Ex_TcR's openion and wanna say that:-
Yes it is really good for all of us because We can really find our KDR by dividing kill/deaths to find our KDR and it will really not decrease the random killings and the good gangs will also say simply
Kills must be more than deaths
and in that case the players will not stop random killing and will increase their kills
SO same suggestion from  me that Deaths must be SECRET also and will really decrease the random killings.
yes it will decrease the random killings inside LV.Yes and admins can simply add some other stuff to replace this like Turfs Taken/Defent ratio to because it will be helpful in gangs requirements.
Regard's
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: G.Recon on 09 12, 2012, 10:13:46 am
No... more like turfs taken/turfs lost ratio. It just shows how good you are at defending turfs.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Diesel on 09 12, 2012, 10:18:32 am
Either bring back KDR or remove everything related to it. Having a secret ratio is just useless and annoying when you can calculate it anyways.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Pager on 09 12, 2012, 01:51:51 pm
Well ye i'm agree with you kills and deaths must be not shown at /stats because people can easily calculate it kills/deaths and there is your kdr so i'm totally agree with u +1 let it be secret in stats
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Quad on 09 12, 2012, 02:09:34 pm
Why would you really want to hide the Kills/Deaths. This is something to show if good player/or not. This is good for the applicants who are trying to join Gangs.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Srbinsegal on 09 12, 2012, 02:37:47 pm
Why would you really want to hide the Kills/Deaths. This is something to show if good player/or not. This is good for the applicants who are trying to join Gangs.
Bcs people worry too much about it. Law guys coming to LV every day. Why? To increase KDR by random killing. Its just one example why is it bad.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 09 12, 2012, 03:39:11 pm
Let them come and die. Why should we stop random killing in LV ? LOL. It's LV. This city should be a total chaos.
Well, you can say here that LV should be a chaos, but when you're in LV and see groups random invites and players killing you for no reason, I'm sure you speak in GC:
"Noobs everywhere, LV is full of noobs"
Or something like this.

Regards
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Haftbefehl on 09 12, 2012, 03:48:57 pm
Well, you can say here that LV should be a chaos, but when you're in LV and see groups random invites and players killing you for no reason, I'm sure you speak in GC:
"Noobs everywhere, LV is full of noobs"
Or something like this.

Regards
You think if they will disable KDR or Kill/Death stats, it will be lower or they will stop with this senseless kills? It should stay how is it at the moment - would be totally unfair for those guys who love to fight and stayed all this time in LV to rise their Kill stats.Its same as we would disable Arrest stats.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Krzyza on 09 12, 2012, 03:51:28 pm
You think if they will disable KDR or Kill/Death stats, it will be lower or they will stop with this senseless kills? It should stay how is it at the moment - would be totally unfair for those guys who love to fight and stayed all this time in LV to rise their Kill stats.Its same as we would disable Arrest stats.
Dude, why KDR is SECRET? and how many times I'm supposed to explain that?
Btw Just send your -1.
I'll not explain this again.
Edit: KDR is already SECRET, when you know why KDR is secret, you can send a PM to me and talk about this.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: Gucci1 on 09 12, 2012, 05:54:17 pm
I believe its a great idea. But what about group requirements?
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: scripting on 09 12, 2012, 09:19:22 pm
I like your Idea
Realy with death and kill You can see The KDR
Example
Some One
Death = 4532
Kill = 10323
KDR = 10323/4532 = 2.27
anyway +1 Great
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: G.Recon on 09 12, 2012, 09:40:11 pm
I believe its a great idea. But what about group requirements?

They should create a new type of ratio that is only customised for turfing and criminal groups. The KDR is not really 100% accurate because the players probably used /kill a lot of times and it counts as 1 illegitimate death.

Maybe a (Turf Defended):(Turf Lost) ratio. It shows if the players are good at defending the turfs or not. The "Turf Lost" will only count as 1 when you attempted to defend the turf and failed to defend it.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: tays0n# on 10 12, 2012, 01:16:13 pm
I believe its a great idea. But what about group requirements?
It's not a difficult way to see if that poeple is good or not just by testing him IG as adding a standards
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: OnEaToNcE on 10 12, 2012, 01:45:13 pm
I agree with you but by doing this groups wouldn't be able to know how good each man has done with kills and deaths.
Title: Re: Secret Deaths
Post by: vito16 on 10 12, 2012, 03:10:35 pm
U are rigth about that.Many groups use the kdr,kills,deaths for eleminate system.and poor guys can't join this groups I dont have this problem buy they need it so +1