Can confirm community can't be trusted
Negative.What this will turn into is a 'friends become PAM' scenario. Certain people will be more favored based purely on the fact they have more recognition and popularity in the server, not based on the skills and qualities that are needed for the PAM duty. Things would get ugly very quickly if this were to be implemented, and therefore it's a solid negative vote from myself.
It won't be by community players only the staffs will have their opinion on the players + Cons/Pros same with what happened with HSO refresh.
Most of replies here agrees to the suggestion that the team is unfair and need a refresh, if you really agree with the suggestion, then each of you need to post an unfair PA or UC and state the reason and what should be done instead of "oh ye bad team, refresh"
The more posts are made to this topic, the more complicated things become.I still don't understand, do you propose to refresh this team every certain period, who gets to choose them?
Is the method you are referring to the same as the method that existed many years ago, in which staff members would choose the candidates for the staff position based on the opinion of others? If so, then I am in favor of your proposal. It is also important that as soon as the people vote against the candidate then they must attach evidence that justifies their claim and not just do an X and move on because this will turn into a lack of quality and contempt.I'm neutral until the OP replies to my post.
I think that the current PAM system is the best.
Atleast Daddy posted his opinion about PAs and UCs, if you really want to support this suggest then do the same, peace!
What this will turn into is a 'friends become PAM' scenario. Certain people will be more favored based purely on the fact they have more recognition and popularity in the server, not based on the skills and qualities that are needed for the PAM duty. Things would get ugly very quickly if this were to be implemented, and therefore it's a solid negative vote from myself.
The fact, that most of the people, that voted positive on the removal of PAM team (on the 1st page) have been and still are regularly punished and are usually spending more time on punishment appeal and unfairness case boards than playing the game without disturbing anybody is just ridiculous. It is also not hidden that most of the votes are based on one and only reason - certain players' topics (PAs and UCs) have not been handled the way they wanted.Just an example is, player X gets punished for violating Y in-game rule, the punishment gets issued by a staff member after a discussion is being held among the staffs (one autonomous party validates the punishment)... Later one, the punished guy goes to PA board and appeals his punishment (which is clearly elaborated in the server rules as a punishable act, but he still opens an appeal), the punishment appeal gets rejected by PAMs(second autonomous party validates the punishment), even an administrator confirms that his punishment is valid... However, that person is still mad at the staff that punished him and the PAM team for validating his punishment - he starts insulting them ingame, prooviking in different ways and so. In the end X player comes here and upvotes on a highly disruptive and corruption-promoting suggestion.There is no reason to refresh or remove the current PAM team or to involve the community in the recruitment of new members of that team. This quote describes the situation in the best possible way.PAMs are doing their job properly and the risk of any inappropriate / unfair moves being done is decreased to minimum as they are working along a L4 staff who is engaging in discussion from time to time. He monitors their performance and ensures fairness, whenever he sees any problematic action being done by any PAM, he notifies the entire team or the certain person. This may be seen from the leaked private chats of the PAM team, the ones of 2021 and so.Negative
- Another point L4+ agreed on is to place side by side staff members and PAM and introduce an hybrid system with PAM duty going back to staff team while keeping the part of team made also by players. I have the feeling this type of drama will never end so they most time saving solution is to just remove the player factor and put staff. We will actively work on this to have 2-3 staff members to handle cases while respecting CoSA topic and main rules and examples.