Author Topic: Making PAM Team gets refreshed by Community/staff votes every 2 months  (Read 3076 times)

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I can agreed to refresh it, but only 2 months? How i'll they provavelmente can do something better? Think can be atleast 6 months
For sure if community members found that the PAM team is good, and they do not support making that bullshits and making their own rules like what the actual PAM are doing, staffs will just let them.
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Guys if you keep giving ur positive vote for a different idea, cause the title here is "changing by community" and not "removed". But all of u vote removing.
Anyway what I want to say is if the suggestion accepted will be like what is written and in the title and main topic and will be not the team removed.

Btw CB team must removed.
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It's all about community votes / staff team votes and head staffs opinion and if a PAM is doing all good and doesn't have any complains about him or his verdicts then he stays after having head staffs and staff team opinion.

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Don't know why that team exists at all. Most of them (except Arnold, probably) have no idea or experience of things they're handling and very often make stupid biased decisions just because of their incompetence.. I think that either the team needs to be wiped out instead of a re-election or such, or more competent individuals from all 4 sides (law, criminal, gangster and civilian) need to be appointed because currently that board is a complete clownshow.
« Last Edit: 04 09, 2022, 10:57:18 pm by Lucifer. »

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This is clearly what we wanted in the last 4 years and still going on. Punishment appeal is similar to ban appeal. Ban appeal board does not need any community to handle it and it is going well.

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Hello,

As most of replies agrees to remove PAM system, then are you all okay to let staff who punish you to deal with your PAs? I'm not saying they are not trustful but it's basically the same.


 
It's all about community votes / staff team votes and head staffs opinion and if a PAM is doing all good and doesn't have any complains about him or his verdicts then he stays after having head staffs and staff team opinion.

As far as I know, head & high staff are always looking after the PAMs and see their activity.
« Last Edit: 05 09, 2022, 12:45:06 pm by Arnold »
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Hello,

As most of replies agrees to remove PAM system, then are you all okay to let staff who punish you to deal with your PAs? I'm not saying they are not trustful but it's basically the same.
I totally agree with your point but as they can see how the current PAM system is shit because of the problems and many corrupted/biased things going on there

As far as I know, head & high staff are always looking after the PAMs and see their activity.

Some player used to report Chapo and Suix to the L4 on his DMs until they're removed I've seen this by myself through the DMs believe it or not but that is what happened, and then the same PAM said that the Administrator told him to say his honest opinion about the new PAMs like you, GoldNugget, Zuvich, etc, that's what the PAM said I cannot confirm that or slander anyone about it. if the head/high staff are always looking why when I made a post that contains private chats why they didn't remove the PAM who used to leak private chats to players and break CoC? Maybe they're busy to look at it I don't know but I'm still not accusing any of the head staff team about anything but all of these are questions that I ask from my side. I really wish Arran can handle the PAM refresh since he will never treat any player more special, he will notice that there are 2 players in the PAM team sharing the same groups or projects he wouldn't add them because he wanted to provide Transparency and fairness and he will add them based on how they deal with other things same as what happened with SO Team. PAM team should work individually just like how GoldNugget used to do instead of just checking on what my colleague thinks and I have to agree with him Invalid punishment Appeal denied or valid punishment appeal accepted if we took a look at that https://cit.gg/index.php?topic=382668 case without some1 thinking out of the box and mentioning Arran the appeal would've been rejected and the player was going to be jailed for 56 days.
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« Last Edit: 05 09, 2022, 01:41:14 pm by daddy »

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PAM team always had problems and most of them weren't liked by the community because of their biased decisions, so as the problem is within the community and the PAM team I agree on making community vote for PAMs BUT whoever's going to vote must be at least Regular Community Member.

The massive xCM requirements decrease makes JCM more like NCM so giving them the ability to vote on the next PAMs isn't a good idea imo.
Don't know why that team exists at all. Most of them (except Arnold, probably) have no idea or experience of things they're handling and very often make stupid biased decisions just because of their incompetence.. I think that either the team needs to be wiped out instead of a re-election or such, or more competent individuals from all 4 sides (law, criminal, gangster and civilian) need to be appointed because currently that board is a complete clownshow.
I also like what Lucifer said about making it only 4 from each side which would fix the problem of PAMs not having any experience of a specified side and taking decisions about it.
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A lot misunderstoody reply,

The idea itself is good and great but my god the execution was shit every single PAM team formation has had atleast one rotten apple (sometimes all of them) so it plagued the rest and ended up making the whole system a joke

The idea is good just make a better execution, idk if daddy's idea will work but it won't hurt to try

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Hello,

As most of replies agrees to remove PAM system, then are you all okay to let staff who punish you to deal with your PAs? I'm not saying they are not trustful but it's basically the same.

Can you read about what the post suggests? It's not about removing the PAM team as its existence is necessary for the little fairness that's left here but even that little fairness is gone when biased or incompetent people hold those positions. So, it'd be better if those people were removed and better people be elected. If any new person is the same then they also get removed. Simple as that


As far as I know, head & high staff are always looking after the PAMs and see their activity.

It's not only about activity, it's about quality as well.
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As far as I know, head & high staff are always looking after the PAMs and see their activity.
Bruu... U didn't see how PAMs are making their own fuckin rules and people aren't getting treated on a good way? I once saw a PAM flaming and using some prohibited words in order to act like he is something useful on this community. But in fact, he is just a piece of shit. But honestly, PAMs aren't even a useful people on this server they are just rejecting appeals over and over and staffs are obviously never ever saw their activity nor their behaviour I am pretty sure.
« Last Edit: 06 09, 2022, 11:52:54 am by zurq »
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Two months cycles are too short for people to get used to any task. And whenever they're finally getting good at it the cycle resets.

The cycles will also pave the way for people with ill intentions to handle cases.

Anyway... it's a too complex of a system just because the current team sucks except for my homie Arnold.

Better to just remove the troublesome PAMs than to come up with this whole election system proposed here  :cros:

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Can confirm community can't be trusted  :cros:

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Negative.

What this will turn into is a 'friends become PAM' scenario. Certain people will be more favored based purely on the fact they have more recognition and popularity in the server, not based on the skills and qualities that are needed for the PAM duty. Things would get ugly very quickly if this were to be implemented, and therefore it's a solid negative vote from myself.


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