Author Topic: Making PAM Team gets refreshed by Community/staff votes every 2 months  (Read 1651 times)

Offline KTYB'

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Shits that being said about PAMs idk if they are true or not, But who gives a fuck. They're doing their job, basically who cares if they ruin the server? adminstrators doesn't give a fuck so why would we do. Not gonna lie, PAM team are as useless as the letter g in lasagna. We won't be in need of PAMs if staffs doesn't rush at punishing players. If their stupidity doesn't exist, PAM team wouldn't too. Wasn't going to reply tho.
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Since daddy scoped some issues that can have the refresh as a solution I don't mind actually with refreshing the team. I Agree

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So after a talk with headstaff group as a whole (L4s and Administrators) turns out the following:

- The team will not be refreshed every 2 months. The main reason is because it is senseless. Why? If someone knows they will stay only 2 months, they can just start doing whatever they want, not care of consequences and instead do a worse job than it's (supposely) being done.

- Plus I guess headstaff values their time more than just keep dealing with the same 4-5 players that won't understand they are not fit for PAM duty but still keep re-applying every 2 months and/or go around annoying us with more UC because they weren't chosen and instead somebody else took the position... and this is a fact that is well known in here, something doesn't go your way ---> start drama, open topics, cry to Arran, things don't go your way again, "this server is shit"

- And again, like another suggestion I answered time ago, you want to replace players with other players and then have a again shadowy way of handling things, as you described and back to point 1, you replace a problem with another problem. No person in here doesn't have interests, end of discussion.

- Another point L4+ agreed on is to place side by side staff members and PAM and introduce an hybrid system with PAM duty going back to staff team while keeping the part of team made also by players. I have the feeling this type of drama will never end so they most time saving solution is to just remove the player factor and put staff. We will actively work on this to have 2-3 staff members to handle cases while respecting CoSA topic and main rules and examples.

The rest was pretty musc explained by Timbery:

The fact, that most of the people, that voted positive on the removal of PAM team (on the 1st page) have been and still are regularly punished and are usually spending more time on punishment appeal and unfairness case boards than playing the game without disturbing anybody is just ridiculous. It is also not hidden that most of the votes are based on one and only reason - certain players' topics (PAs and UCs) have not been handled the way they wanted.

Just an example is, player X gets punished for violating Y in-game rule, the punishment gets issued by a staff member after a discussion is being held among the staffs (one autonomous party validates the punishment)... Later one, the punished guy goes to PA board and appeals his punishment (which is clearly elaborated in the server rules as a punishable act, but he still opens an appeal), the punishment appeal gets rejected by PAMs(second autonomous party validates the punishment), even an administrator confirms that his punishment is valid... However, that person is still mad at the staff that punished him and the PAM team for validating his punishment - he starts insulting them ingame, prooviking in different ways and so. In the end X player comes here and upvotes on a highly disruptive and corruption-promoting suggestion.

There is no reason to refresh or remove the current PAM team or to involve the community in the recruitment of new members of that team. This quote describes the situation in the best possible way.
PAMs are doing their job properly and the risk of any inappropriate / unfair moves being done is decreased to minimum as they are working along a L4 staff who is engaging in discussion from time to time. He monitors their performance and ensures fairness, whenever he sees any problematic action being done by any PAM, he notifies the entire team or the certain person. This may be seen from the leaked private chats of the PAM team, the ones of 2021 and so.

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- Another point L4+ agreed on is to place side by side staff members and PAM and introduce an hybrid system with PAM duty going back to staff team while keeping the part of team made also by players. I have the feeling this type of drama will never end so they most time saving solution is to just remove the player factor and put staff. We will actively work on this to have 2-3 staff members to handle cases while respecting CoSA topic and main rules and examples.
PAA are allowed to assist the PAM team by casting their votes on appeals from now on.