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Title: [+] Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: KaceM on 09 05, 2022, 12:19:17 am
Hello Community!
as everyone know when you win any State Official event you cannot participate again only after 30min
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(https://imgur.com/PIh2ndz.png)
. 30min is too much  :ree:
my suggestion is very simple my suggestion is reducing the events limit from 30min to 10min.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Mask on 09 05, 2022, 01:04:56 am
When I'm in free time I usually have fun with SO's events, and I really wish there was less time to participate in another event after winning one. Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: BuGsBunny on 09 05, 2022, 02:51:17 am
ye it will be great if we reduce the limit cuz sometimes only 2-5 civilian players who participating in SO events so what if that those players have already win in SO event and SO start event no one will participate so ye its good if we reduce it :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: TwCafe on 09 05, 2022, 03:50:44 am
As a part of State Official, I'm here to upvoting, I think the current cooldown which is 30min is too long, and reducing it to 10 min is better, and good enough to make the civilians enjoy the SO events without being disappoint.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: kitten on 09 05, 2022, 06:30:00 am
It's necessary to have it 30 minutes as there is a little break between each event and there goes atleast 2 minutes. It's better to have everyone at limit than a good player doing all the events and leaving none for the beginners or just not that good players. Mlem himself is a reason for the limit too, there is always one guy who dominates in the SO events no matter the time. Negative. Better leave it as it was for years.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: BirdBoy on 09 05, 2022, 07:30:10 am
To be honest, I don't see why if there is a pro civilian, he cannot participate the state official event continuely?
I'd rather remove the cool down, let me explaint it, we have events from CEM, and /race system, if there's someone bad ass good at winning all events, races, should we block him a while, and tell him that you should participate the event half hour later, nobody wins because of you?
BUT, I agree the cooldown here is for a reason, however 30min is too long. it's glad that Arran refresh the whole SOs, and they're active in most time zone now.
Anyway, I'm voting positive on this suggestion, so we get more participants here.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Darwin97 on 09 05, 2022, 12:30:56 pm
Positive,

30 minutes is a lot and true some civilians are very good so maybe we can make like a ramp up limit? for example if you win a SO event you'll be limited for 10 minutes and then if you win another even in the span of an hour or 2 (numbers can be changed) it will be 20 minutes and then 30 minutes and keeps being 30 minutes if you keep winning events.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Uzaki on 09 05, 2022, 04:28:57 pm
I believe this rooted from my simultaneous Chase event last night, correct me if im wrong. But as an SO, I believe it is indeed too much. Last night as all the chasers had cooldown so even tho they did crash me, no one was registered as the winner. What happened then, it became a CAR DERBY, not a chase.

So BIG BIG POSITVE  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Jaguar. on 09 05, 2022, 05:29:30 pm
I have no problem with reducing the limit since 30 minutes is indeed a lot.  :tick:

Positive,

30 minutes is a lot and true some civilians are very good so maybe we can make like a ramp up limit? for example if you win a SO event you'll be limited for 10 minutes and then if you win another even in the span of an hour or 2 (numbers can be changed) it will be 20 minutes and then 30 minutes and keeps being 30 minutes if you keep winning events.

This too can also be an alternative solution.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: SqueX on 09 05, 2022, 06:16:57 pm
As an SO yes I agree with that, players who join chases want to rejoin but as you know there is a 30 Minute limit, that's too much for us, 10 Minute yes would be an ideal time, At least more people can join the chases.

 :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Cerberus on 09 05, 2022, 10:38:58 pm
I don't see why there is a limit in the first place. A State Official should have enough common sense to assess a suitable cooldown period between events.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Pancake on 09 05, 2022, 10:53:53 pm
I'm voting positive since 30 mins is way too much for participating the event but I agree with 15 mins

Positive,

30 minutes is a lot and true some civilians are very good so maybe we can make like a ramp up limit? for example if you win a SO event you'll be limited for 10 minutes and then if you win another even in the span of an hour or 2 (numbers can be changed) it will be 20 minutes and then 30 minutes and keeps being 30 minutes if you keep winning events.
I'm also supporting this idea its really cool, the more you win events more cooldown you received and this called fair play
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Splinter on 10 05, 2022, 01:36:15 am
we civilians need to separate work time unless 30min or 1 hours so this event give us the time to have the fun and 30min its too much so my vote going to be  positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: BabY on 10 05, 2022, 03:57:40 am
Hello Community!
as everyone know when you win any State Official event you cannot participate again only after 30min
Show content
(https://imgur.com/PIh2ndz.png)
. 30min is too much  :ree:
my suggestion is very simple my suggestion is reducing the events limit from 30min to 10min.

Well, do you have any supporting statistics, like the average number of State Official events hosted in an hour, or maybe drilled down to the 30-minute span in question?

I don't see why there is a limit in the first place. A State Official should have enough common sense to assess a suitable cooldown period between events.

I'm sure a feature has to account for all types of people and their behavior, it would incite chaos if everyone is assumed to have common sense!

If no statistics will back me up, I'll propose a happy scenario; I'm gonna assume that the average player takes ~1 minute to reach the event's destination. After that ~2 minutes to complete the event's objective(s) and win. If a State Official immediately decides to host another event, give them a modest ~2-minute window of finding another location/setup for the new event, that is if they're really determined and focused on hosting a bunch of SO events. (If there are any sorts of cooldowns on SO events, please let me know!) If State Officials keep on on this for about an hour, you have ~10 SO events hosted in that hour, which gives skilled civilians only 2 chances of winning in these events. Reducing the win cooldown to 10 minutes would potentially make them win half of these events by themselves.

Now after that [theoretical] statistical assumption, I'm really starting to think the state officials should be the ones getting a cooldown, not the civilians! If we apply the 10-minute cooldown on SOs rather than civilians, there'd be ~5 events hosted per hour, if a civilian wins every event they attend, they're gonna win 2/5 of them.

Of course, this won't always be the case, it's an assumption on a happy scenario, but since the suggestion was almost surely inspired by the same happy scenario, let's battle them out together!

I'm not a nerd, it's just that numbers and statistical insights are really important, y'all D:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: ixi910 on 10 05, 2022, 07:42:03 am
Well, do you have any supporting statistics, like the average number of State Official events hosted in an hour, or maybe drilled down to the 30-minute span in question?

I'm sure a feature has to account for all types of people and their behavior, it would incite chaos if everyone is assumed to have common sense!

If no statistics will back me up, I'll propose a happy scenario; I'm gonna assume that the average player takes ~1 minute to reach the event's destination. After that ~2 minutes to complete the event's objective(s) and win. If a State Official immediately decides to host another event, give them a modest ~2-minute window of finding another location/setup for the new event, that is if they're really determined and focused on hosting a bunch of SO events. (If there are any sorts of cooldowns on SO events, please let me know!) If State Officials keep on on this for about an hour, you have ~10 SO events hosted in that hour, which gives skilled civilians only 2 chances of winning in these events. Reducing the win cooldown to 10 minutes would potentially make them win half of these events by themselves.

Now after that [theoretical] statistical assumption, I'm really starting to think the state officials should be the ones getting a cooldown, not the civilians! If we apply the 10-minute cooldown on SOs rather than civilians, there'd be ~5 events hosted per hour, if a civilian wins every event they attend, they're gonna win 2/5 of them.

Of course, this won't always be the case, it's an assumption on a happy scenario, but since the suggestion was almost surely inspired by the same happy scenario, let's battle them out together!

I'm not a nerd, it's just that numbers and statistical insights are really important, y'all D:

I’m fairly sure that this suggestion was based off of the event type “SO chase”. In that case, saying that it is winnable within 3 minutes is a very very optimistic assumption. Of course it isn’t impossible, but it generally takes quite a bit longer than that. Sometimes no one at all wins it because the SO was able to outrun them all so that part of your argument is slightly flawed. Also, while SO’s don’t officially have a cooldown to host events, we do have a bank system in place and if that bank becomes empty, which happens relatively fast depending on the prizes that we put, we are also not able to host any events anymore, effectively limiting us until the limit resets. So there technically already is a system in place which limits SO’s a bit. Forcing SO’s to have a 10 minute time limit in between events would be a bad idea in my opinion, cause it can kill the enthusiasm of participants very quickly if they have to wait 10 minutes after each event was hosted.

Now to the actual suggestion itself, I honestly don’t think it’s necessary to decrease the limit. It was added in the first place to give other people a chance of winning the events so it’s not always the same one person winning and this can keep the motivation of other players up. Maybe 30 minutes is too long, I’m not sure, but 10 minutes is definitely too short, considering often times a chase can take up to 10 minutes already. If the limit is going to be lowered, it should be lowered at most to 20 minutes, any less than that and it becomes a bit useless in my opinion. For now though, since the suggestion is to 10 minutes, I will vote negative
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: BabY on 10 05, 2022, 08:10:49 am
I’m fairly sure that this suggestion was based off of the event type “SO chase”. In that case, saying that it is winnable within 3 minutes is a very very optimistic assumption. Of course it isn’t impossible, but it generally takes quite a bit longer than that. Sometimes no one at all wins it because the SO was able to outrun them all so that part of your argument is slightly flawed. Also, while SO’s don’t officially have a cooldown to host events, we do have a bank system in place and if that bank becomes empty, which happens relatively fast depending on the prizes that we put, we are also not able to host any events anymore, effectively limiting us until the limit resets. So there technically already is a system in place which limits SO’s a bit. Forcing SO’s to have a 10 minute time limit in between events would be a bad idea in my opinion, cause it can kill the enthusiasm of participants very quickly if they have to wait 10 minutes after each event was hosted.

Now to the actual suggestion itself, I honestly don’t think it’s necessary to decrease the limit. It was added in the first place to give other people a chance of winning the events so it’s not always the same one person winning and this can keep the motivation of other players up. Maybe 30 minutes is too long, I’m not sure, but 10 minutes is definitely too short, considering often times a chase can take up to 10 minutes already. If the limit is going to be lowered, it should be lowered at most to 20 minutes, any less than that and it becomes a bit useless in my opinion. For now though, since the suggestion is to 10 minutes, I will vote negative

Thanks for pointing out the bank. This definitely looks so far balanced from SO's end.

I'll have to second the 15-20 minutes suggestion. As for a 10-minute win cooldown, I'll have to vote  :cros:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: MiDo.- on 12 05, 2022, 04:50:23 am
I’m fairly sure that this suggestion was based off of the event type “SO chase”. In that case, saying that it is winnable within 3 minutes is a very very optimistic assumption. Of course it isn’t impossible, but it generally takes quite a bit longer than that. Sometimes no one at all wins it because the SO was able to outrun them all so that part of your argument is slightly flawed. Also, while SO’s don’t officially have a cooldown to host events, we do have a bank system in place and if that bank becomes empty, which happens relatively fast depending on the prizes that we put, we are also not able to host any events anymore, effectively limiting us until the limit resets. So there technically already is a system in place which limits SO’s a bit. Forcing SO’s to have a 10 minute time limit in between events would be a bad idea in my opinion, cause it can kill the enthusiasm of participants very quickly if they have to wait 10 minutes after each event was hosted.

Now to the actual suggestion itself, I honestly don’t think it’s necessary to decrease the limit. It was added in the first place to give other people a chance of winning the events so it’s not always the same one person winning and this can keep the motivation of other players up. Maybe 30 minutes is too long, I’m not sure, but 10 minutes is definitely too short, considering often times a chase can take up to 10 minutes already. If the limit is going to be lowered, it should be lowered at most to 20 minutes, any less than that and it becomes a bit useless in my opinion. For now though, since the suggestion is to 10 minutes, I will vote negative
10 minutes in a game is still very long, I am mostly sure that an event takes 5 minutes at max, anymore than that happens very rarely. Plus, 10 minutes is very reasonable for keeping it a competition because why would you want to suspend the person that won just so you can give other people a chance like why can't they just try to win while he's there ?
SO events don't really have a skill gap for the limit to be THIS long so I pretty much support it being 10 mins.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: TwCafe on 13 05, 2022, 01:46:49 am
I agree with it , 10 min will be better
@Traxxy Your own reason is needed when voting, or it'll be considered as a useless post, and removed.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: ixi910 on 13 05, 2022, 03:12:24 pm
10 minutes in a game is still very long, I am mostly sure that an event takes 5 minutes at max, anymore than that happens very rarely. Plus, 10 minutes is very reasonable for keeping it a competition because why would you want to suspend the person that won just so you can give other people a chance like why can't they just try to win while he's there ?
SO events don't really have a skill gap for the limit to be THIS long so I pretty much support it being 10 mins.
10 minutes really isnt that long. Depending on the SO and the event type, an event can definitely last longer than 5 minutes, it is not that rare.
And as I've said before, the limit is mainly there to motivate other people so it's not always the same person winning. It might be unintuitive that a limit can motivate people, but trust me, in the past before the limit existed, it was mainly the same person winning the event over and over again, and eventually other people got bored and didn't join the event anymore because they thought from the beginning that they didn't have a chance. And I can guarantee you that this will be the case again, maybe not as much as before since there is still a small limit, but it will still happen again. It's already the case that when certain people are online, that once an event is hosted, they win most of the times and I've seen: "Oh <PlayerX> is online, there's no point in participating" in the team chat before already. Lowering the limit to such a short time is just going to exaggerate that problem and demotivate people. Once less people join, events become unplayed and rarer and eventually useless.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: KaceM on 13 05, 2022, 11:30:07 pm
10 minutes really isnt that long. Depending on the SO and the event type, an event can definitely last longer than 5 minutes, it is not that rare.
And as I've said before, the limit is mainly there to motivate other people so it's not always the same person winning. It might be unintuitive that a limit can motivate people
It's very boring when you won an event and wait 30min to participate again
reduce it to 10min will be better and it will make SOs events more active becaouse as I see when someone won an event he wont wait 30min to participate again until the event ends and no one wins it becaouse 30min is too much, if someone always wins events it is good for them to breathe to win events, in the end he is a normal player like other players he didnt have anything special they can to defeat him easily if they want.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Tpac on 14 05, 2022, 01:56:12 pm
It may be useful for participants to reduce the duration of the event for a long time to 10 min event  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: CJGIANNHS on 14 05, 2022, 03:44:03 pm
I didn't know that since I don't play civilian, but is not logic, even at CEM/Staff event warps we don't have a limit and u have a limit at civilian events? Why, not make sense.
Imo it must doesn't have a limit, but since the suggestion offer about 10mins I will follow it and going positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: KaceM on 14 05, 2022, 08:25:44 pm
If you have no experience, don't vote. (https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/613463705430261775.png?size=48)
as everyone know SOs can do events and if you win an event you can not participate again only after 30min, simply my suggestion is reducing it to 10min it dont need to experience.  :kek2:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: CJGIANNHS on 14 05, 2022, 10:35:06 pm
If you have no experience, don't vote. (https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/613463705430261775.png?size=48)

And who are u to tell me not to vote?

@Prince#CupCakes check this SO man  :fp: ;D
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: kitten on 14 05, 2022, 10:41:11 pm
Someone who knows how events work and how only the good individuals like Gebeng, Mlem, Ixi, Isdej, Roukas will win events. You even admitted that you don't play as a civilian so how are you supposed to know what's the case in these events? Now I hope this gets accepted to see you all struggle and complain how you can't win an event because the good players have no limit.

You can see a key SO with years of experience and a honourable SO with even more experience than all of you combined vote negative knowing well it's not going to end well

But ye, it's fairly easy to see that you are doing this just for the ranks
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: KaceM on 15 05, 2022, 05:50:35 pm
Someone who knows how events work and how only the good individuals like Gebeng, Mlem, Ixi, Isdej, Roukas will win events.
Yes that's right those players who always win SO events because I dont see anyone except them even trying to win an event  :kek4:

 I hope this gets accepted to see you all struggle and complain how you can't win an event because the good players have no limit.
Why did u see anyone before complains when someone always wins CEM events ?

You can see a key SO with years of experience and a honourable SO with even more experience than all of you combined vote negative knowing well it's not going to end well
Positive,

30 minutes is a lot and true some civilians are very good so maybe we can make like a ramp up limit? for example if you win a SO event you'll be limited for 10 minutes and then if you win another even in the span of an hour or 2 (numbers can be changed) it will be 20 minutes and then 30 minutes and keeps being 30 minutes if you keep winning events.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: TwCafe on 16 05, 2022, 02:10:23 am
12 positive, 3 negative votes. Next review will be done next week.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: CJGIANNHS on 17 05, 2022, 12:05:25 am
Someone who knows how events work and how only the good individuals like Gebeng, Mlem, Ixi, Isdej, Roukas will win events. You even admitted that you don't play as a civilian so how are you supposed to know what's the case in these events?

Because I have a friend and pro civilian and I know how civilian and SO working, and is not one of your mention buddies u state above.
So stop to show like u know everything with a rank u dont even deserve and took it randomly.
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Prince#CupCakes on 17 05, 2022, 02:33:54 pm
Hello community im not an SO but im an old civilian player  30 minutes for next event is to much and the people boring to wait all this time for me 10 minutes or 15 minutes is better and more civs will participate on events and maybe more people join civilian side after this so my vote is positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: R0T? on 21 05, 2022, 12:50:33 pm
Positive it takes along time when it be 30min, I think 10min good for all  :tick:
Title: Re: Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: TwCafe on 23 05, 2022, 02:13:37 am
14 positive, 3 negative votes. Marked as Low Priority.
Title: Re: [+] Reduce State Official events limit from 30min to 10min
Post by: Danzy on 24 05, 2022, 10:09:27 pm
- Lowered State Official event participation cooldown to 10 minutes. (Danzy + KaceM)

Any issues caused by this is easy to revert.