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Ingame Community => News and Updates => Topic started by: Bokila on 18 10, 2019, 12:26:56 am
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Hello, this suggestion has been made countless times and it has always been locked even though it reached a decent amount of votes. Last time it was locked because a certain LV player suggested it and Arran didn't seem quite convinced so he locked it by saying.
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LV has low player count so instead of suggesting a change to LV, you suggest "Removing LS turfs"...
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It'd have made more sense if you suggested "Removing LV turfs" as a solution to the problem by making LV for something else (like it being part of the rest of the server again)
Let me break it down for you. LV has a lower player count because the LV players which couldn't compete in LV decided to move to LS because it would be easier for them to claim turfs. This is the real reason, they might hide between lies but the thing is that they can't do nothing in LV so they decided to come in LS.
Secondly, no. It wouldn't make sense to remove the LV turfs because since a very long time LV has been known as the city of turfing and LS was known as the CnR city.
Let's take it step by step.
LS Before and After:
LS used to be a Cops and Robbers city. People in the team chat used to make riot plans and strategies in order to fight cops. Right now, the criminal chat has changed to a level of toxicity that we've only seen back in the days in LV. People understand the rules and they don't flame but it doesn't mean that without flame there is no toxicity. People fighting each other over which group took takeover and which didnt, people fighting for which one is the most skilled, people talking about how they "rekt" x player and how "x" player is lagging and the list goes on. I am SICK of this kind of behaviour and I guess I am not the only one. Sometimes I involve myself too in this type of chats because it gets annoying to see how toxic the Criminal Team chat has became.
Let's take it from a perspective of an old criminal leader/founder of a group which is not entirely good at combat and exploiting tactics. He logs in, his base gets invaded by 13 years old kids which turf 24/7 and he cannot fight them because they keep coming over and over again. This is amazingly annoying. Even in LV the base attacks are punishable. What will the guy do? Obviously just quit the game since he is aware that he would have to fight for serveral hours to protect his base. Why would a normal person with a job and real life issues spend his time in a game where all he has to do is fight over a turf? That's right, he wouldn't.
There are alot of old criminals that left because they see no hope anymore in the current system. Back then, the groups were mostly reviewed on their behaviour and their contributions to the criminal side. Now, it doesn't matter anymore. As long as you have a group which turfs 24/7 why would you need that? The people will join your group anyway because you are constantly having many turfs which is a source of income for the players. The thing that annoys me is that it doesn't matter the group quality as long as you have got the quantity and the combat power. It doesn't matter if you're smart or not, all it matters is that you can kill a player in an 1v1 fight. THIS is the LV mentality and it should be OUT of LS.
Regarding the CnR, it just became a "side mission". CnR teams balance based on the amount of players that are turfing. If there are big "wars" in LS then cops would easly win every single CE. If there is no "war" then the criminals might actually have a chance to fight the cops (that in case the "criminals" of the "official crimianl groups" don't play as cops).
LV Before and After
LV used to be the place where it doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't prove it in combat. After the addition of the LS turfs, the weak LV groups tried moving into LS to prove they are strong and by time, LV became empty. I respect how LV works but the addition of the LS turfs made some groups move in LS and share their toxicity in the criminal chat. Back then LV used to have alot of groups, alliances, big wars. Now, if you gather all the active groups in LV you might notice that it is the number of groups a LV alliance used to have. LV was not ruined by the players, LV was ruined by the updates that gave the LV players the chance to play in LS and ruin the old LS players experience. Besides this, with the addition of fastswitch in LS, it became an easier job for the exploiters to gain unfair advantages so why would they move back to LV? Why not to continue ruining the criminals experience with their toxicity? That's their hobby, they enjoy it.
Now, you might say that the old criminals left CIT because the game is getting old but, HOW do you explain that CIT is barelly reaching top 5 in the servers top when it used to be number 1? HOW? You knew from the beginning that the addition of LS turfs would bring a drastic change to the server and you still went through with it. This is the result of countless suggestions on bringing back the old LS and even though they have been ignored so fast, people are still suggesting it.
About Arran's reply, how comes that people in LV never suggested a change there? It is because THEY LIKE IT. This is why we keep suggesting the removal of LS turfs, because WE DON'T LIKE the current state of LS and we would like to return back to our previous state of a CRIMINAL TEAM.
"like it being part of the rest of the server again"
The removal of the LS turfs would make LS be part of the server again. We didn't reach those 1400 players peak in this system.
This will be my last attempt of making things right regarding the CnR suggestions as suggesting anything won't matter anymore. People would still be concentraded on this stupid turfing system and they will continue ignoring any further update regarding LS.
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Finally a LS leader sees my perspective. LV was always the city of no laws and gangwars. LS turfs although it can be fun is not as fun as LV turfs. LS should be a city of CnR (Cops and Robbers) just as how we have SF dedicated to being a city of civilian workers. I personally left LV because of toxic retards and I was tired of the same toxicity everyday and now LS is full of more toxic retards than LV because no one really plays in LV anymore. A few days ago there were 164 people in the server, 24 of them were in LV and 13 of the 24 were in the same group with the rest of people from various groups including their allies were afk in LV.
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I think it's a shame to remove something that works perfectly fine.
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Dear Bokila, I totally agree with you mostly at this point ''I'm sick of seeing this I rekted you in turfs, my gang kills you with less players count, we are cracking taking over etc.'' LS turfs decreases the activity of CnR Never thought about it tho but, It surely effects the activity of Armed Robberies that I miss.
In the second hand I generally see that there are more gangsters than criminals at LS ,and I personally don't want to see this table, Criminals should be helping eachother instead of killing eachother at LS. Los santos is the city of criminals and cops.If you want to turf you are free to turf at LV which is called ''City of gangsters'' since such a long time.The other fact is it may end the enemy thing between Criminal Groups. We are all belong to the criminal side which means we should help eachother instead of fighting for a turf whole day, we can use our time for the things that makes way more sense, that represents the real style of Criminal.
About LV, well Nowadays LV has low player counts as you said .Removing LS turfs may move some groups to play at LV, Also with my group .I'm planning to play at LV in the future in our free times. Because I enjoy the fight which requires real skills.Removing LS turfs may help the groups about trying the life of LV,
The player countage goes down everyday mostly School time causes that tho but Removing LS turfs may get the countage even lower for low term but with Time I'm pretty sure It will increase the player countage of CIT way more. Peace
I think it's a shame to remove something that works perfectly fine.
Well I saw this comment after posting mine tho, In my perspective Nothing is shame if It's going to make community better .I understand that It's not easy to script it ,test it. But that's not the only fact ,Working fine doesn't make our community better.
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I think it's a shame to remove something that works perfectly fine.
The other things that come with the turfing system are the ones that ruin everything.
-The toxicity
-The lack of cooperation
-The competition
-The fact that it doesn't matter if your group is a quality one as long as you are not good in combat
-The fact that the groups are now being reviewed on their activity (Even though that activity is the same as old LV groups activity used to be. Players don't get punished but their overall behaviour is toxic.)
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Removing LS turfs may get the countage even lower for low term but with Time I'm pretty sure It will increase the player countage of CIT way more. Peace
Since the LS turfs were added the playercount started decreasing. The real criminals which felt like they're being part of a family whenever they used teamchat probably lost their interest when they realised what has became of LS. It's just that, actually LV players moved to LS and the LS players left. It might help in making them come back but those LS turfers will never leave. They will eventually return to LV.
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The other things that come with the turfing system are the ones that ruin everything.
-The toxicity
-The lack of cooperation
-The competition
-The fact that it doesn't matter if your group is a quality one as long as you are not good in combat
-The fact that the groups are now being reviewed on their activity (Even though that activity is the same as old LV groups activity used to be. Players don't get punished but their overall behaviour is toxic.)
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Since the LS turfs were added the playercount started decreasing. The real criminals which felt like they're being part of a family whenever they used teamchat probably lost their interest when they realised what has became of LS. It's just that, actually LV players moved to LS and the LS players left. It might help in making them come back but those LS turfers will never leave. They will eventually return to LV.
Aswell as how the criminal activity massively dropped over time as gangsters took over LS and everybody started fighting for turfs instead of criminal activity, which I truly miss. I support this, LS shouldn't really be like that, it should be a place for criminals and no gangsters. LV has also massively dropped with the amount of players like in here (https://cit.gg/index.php?topic=347345.msg5106750#msg5106750) (got unlocked unfortunately), it transferred players from LV to LS with the desync and bullshit and I used to be one of them so I know how this works. I support this, it'll be a very great change to the community.
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I think it's a shame to remove something that works perfectly fine.
-Wasn't it shame when you removed the old "fine" robbery system?
-Wasn't it shame when you turned LS into LV v2 with binds and shit?
-Wasn't it shame making it harder for criminals to do anything?
Server name is CIT Cops n Robbers,Gang wars,Civilians, three divisions, each city WAS supposed to have it's unique style. Rn 2 cities are having the same style. Revert back to the old WORKING FINE balance.
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Totally logic since the only gangs war city is LV from the first day of this CIT server, adding a new turfing systeme to LS is no sense especially that city which made for CnR, not for gangsters.
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It'd have made more sense if you suggested "Removing LV turfs" as a solution to the problem by making LV for something else (like it being part of the rest of the server again)
You want the 150 players in LV to leave the server right? If that ever happened I guarantee you'll never see this server going up to 200 players lol
Retarded resolution.
LV was known as a turfing city for ages.
You want to turf? go LV you want to do cops killing and play civilian jobs? go SF/LS Pretty simple but Arran loves going away from logic each and every time
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You want the 150 players in LV to leave the server right? If that ever happened I guarantee you'll never see this server going up to 200 players lol
Retarded resolution.
LV was known as a turfing city for ages.
You want to turf? go LV you want to do cops killing and play civilian jobs? go SF/LS Pretty simple but Arran loves going away from logic each and every time
Bet so many people will come back if that happens, I don’t know.
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Yea bring back old LS where Crims kill only cops there is no fights between criminals, Let gangs war only in LV, LS is made only for CnR, CEs and ARs nowadays empty because of turfs, They re just sucking money .
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LV is just dying day after day, Why would we fix this by removing LS Turfs ? Doesn't make sense to me, You will just kill criminals fun in their side, The systems are totally different and it's damn cool, I mean the system that you spray to increase the percentage is cool, Don't kill LS to revive LV, This isn't how it works, Keep LS turfs and try to make LV turfs better instead, Deleting LS turfs will just make criminals are angry and leave the game, Look forward and improve LV instead of killing LS, Full respect, Being Criminal Boss doesn't mean you talk with all criminals tongue, I want see more criminals opinion about that, Think about improving LV, Let's make CIT better place instead of making players have only one option and force them to turf in LV, If they like LS then they will turf there, IF they like LV then they will turf there, This will make it worse..
Negative.
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I think it's a shame to remove something that works perfectly fine.
^^ Plus I think it's somehow fun to turf in LS, maybe remove the fast switch and split the gangster and criminal chats, this might be a good solution for both sides. I really enjoy turfing in LS from time to time, but at the end, it's the community's choice.
By the way, LV and LS turfs are different, the gameplay style is totally different too.. I don't turf in LV at all since ages because of the fast speed movement and the grenades/RPG spam which is really annoying unlike LS, so comparing LS with LV is a stupid idea and makes no sense at all, toxicity is a different case, people who trash-talk because of takeovers are totally retarded and has nothing to do with the turfing system.
I'm neutral for now. @Bokila I really want you to read this.
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LV is just dying day after day, Why would we fix this by removing LS Turfs ? Doesn't make sense to me, You will just kill criminals fun in their side
As the oldest criminal group founder currently active, i've seen it all in LS and nothing affected LS more than the turfing system. We just want to regain back the fun that has been taken from us. Instead, the LS removal suggestions keep getting denied and they keep pushing down our throat this whole turfing system along with the toxic players.
^^ Plus I think it's somehow fun to turf in LS, maybe remove the fast switch.
By the way, LV and LS turfs are different, the gameplay style is totally different too..
I already suggested removing the fastswitch and it got denied by Arran because according to him the video I attached to the suggestion was "a total trash" even though it was a valid forum complaint and it clearly proved that the fastswitch is extremely exploitable in LS.
On the LS and LV turfs are different, I can count the differences between LS and LV on the fingers of one hand.
1.Explosives
2.Fast speed
3.Ability to kill everyone
4.Some extra CnR events (which most of the times ignored especially when there are high amounts of people turfing)
The things that noone liked at LV besides the exploits were the toxic people and if you may have noticed a high amount of people either moved in LS from LV with their toxic behaviour either started being toxic based on the drastic change that happened to the state of LS after the turfing system addition.
SO, the only way to really remove a tumor is by cutting it. If you keep giving it pills (updates) , it will just make it survive but not really alive.
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I agree on this
also if arran made LS turfs because of "exploiters " in LV then he can just set the speed back to normal in LV and lets get back to the good old days....
plus I see that explosives in LV are sooo used in LV more than guns,so we can add that Limit for throwing explosives.
if u guys gonna remove LS turfs I agree on the things I said above,if u wont then dont do anything with LV.
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To remove LS turfs in LS no way ?
I agree that system is bad but why should We to cut down on the whole activity.
Less activities in LS means less fun in LS . I am suggesting old LS turfing to be returned but I will never agree LS turfing to be removed . :cros: :cros:
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I wouldn't agree to completely remove it, I remember back in the days 2017 or 2016 there were only about 5 or 6 turfs in the whole LS, and yes, I just had this problem today, Literally everyone don't rob stores n' nobody go to ARs, All what they do is turfing and going to CEs, I'm not agreeing with removing the WHOLE LS turfing, but removing all of these useless turfs, only 5 or 6 turfs in LS.
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I think that eliminating LS turf is not the right solution.
I wouldn't agree to completely remove it, I remember back in the days 2017 or 2016 there were only about 5 or 6 turfs in the whole LS, and yes, I just had this problem today, Literally everyone don't rob stores n' nobody go to ARs, All what they do is turfing and going to CEs, I'm not agreeing with removing the WHOLE LS turfing, but removing all of these useless turfs, only 5 or 6 turfs in LS.
The truth is that the 2016-2017 turf was much better, in that I give you the reason, but nobody goes to the ARs because the EC pays much better and in the AR if you are late you cannot complete the theft, you must arrive early, and the theme of the stores nobody steals them because now you have to aim all the time and that is quite boring.
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But you can still do CnR as a criminal.
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The truth is that the 2016-2017 turf was much better, in that I give you the reason, but nobody goes to the ARs because the EC pays much better and in the AR if you are late you cannot complete the theft, you must arrive early, and the theme of the stores nobody steals them because now you have to aim all the time and that is quite boring.
Suggested this before and Arran said the AR ended, so should we arrive in the first second in the AR ? lel
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Most of the players who left LV have their own reasons. I personally left LV because of excessive explosions and fast game style. Nowadays, players just spamming nads and RPG with rare using other weapons. This type of game is really toxic which immediately leads to newbies Leaving LV.
Even if LS turf removed, players will not waste their time playing in LV for turfing only.
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I agree on this
also if arran made LS turfs because of "exploiters " in LV then he can just set the speed back to normal in LV and lets get back to the good old days....
plus I see that explosives in LV are sooo used in LV more than guns,so we can add that Limit for throwing explosives.
if u guys gonna remove LS turfs I agree on the things I said above,if u wont then dont do anything with LV.
Honestly, I totally agree with this right here. Removing the LS turfs, and reducing the ridiculous speed in LV, along with some kind of limit to the usage of explosives should be enough for people to start experiencing LV in a much better way. Also, it would increase the CnR activity in LS, and also increase the amount of people playing in LV as it would be the only place for players to turf.
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But you can still do CnR as a criminal.
Yeah, please stop repeating such suggestions, the system is highly played by a lot of people, so don't bother removing it, just because you don't like it.
LV was known as a turfing city for ages.
A better system was created after, then why would we remove it, just because it reduced the activity of the previous one? Doesn't it make sense? Instead of saying LV was known for turf wars
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I'm fully supporting your idea. LS turfs killed LV and CIT. Remove current LS turfs system and bring back old LS turfs system. It's only chance to revive LV
:tick: from me
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I disagree with this suggestion. :cros:
The best thing to do with LS is to bring back the square turf system (1337 and OP glory days), Mainly because there were like 20 or more players from every gang online. I remember there was some HUGE wars back then, but many periods of peace too, where the majority of criminals participated at CNR while receiving turf money because they could do so in a car. To re-add the Square turf system we can lower the ammount of money it gives, allow us to receive money in cars, limit the number of turfs a gang can own on weekdays and add the refresh system every night.
The gang color scheme must be maintained.
Most gangs would have their home territory, their place you know, and wars would happen only sporadically, allowing CNR to be repopulated again and geopolitics to happen at the gangster level, increasing player to player interaction. The Square turf system allow people to have time to attend CNR and do other activities.
The square turfs system also created some great gangs like SK, DOM, 1337, OP, SOA and many others, that is why we need it back!
Now for LV It is necessary to reduce the speed to normal levels as well and add a restriction for the granade spam.
Changes that will make it fair for newcomers.
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The thing is I dont like this suggestion because I love LS turfing. LS is much more fun to turf in just simply because there aint no grenade spammers like in LV. And yes I understand your point, crim side has changed a lot for example : AR's died, and yes there is a fare amount of toxicity. But for me its a downvote.
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I am upvoting this. I've noticed that criminal acticity has decreased alot. Wanted criminals nowdays are just found in CE's and riots. Who wants to turf shall go to LV. And we should keep LS CnR system like it always was.
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Why everytime people talk about removing Ls turfs cause lv is kinda dead cause of exploiters or ls crim activity lowered , is ls turfs the only main reason of this ? Absolutely not. , the new rob system ia totally dumb and no fun like what's the point of aiming T the pes for a whole damn minutes, maybe turfs sereprated some crim groups and sided them maybe we see some toxicity in teamchat but dont u see why ? Because there is more competition now between groups not only on gettings 6/6 in ce or being top1 crim daily but taking over LS is something big now. Like for many groups getting ls is making more people applying than being top 1 group because new ls players like turfing so why removing the fun. I respect ur choice but I dont think its the best option right now
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Why everytime people talk about removing Ls turfs cause lv is kinda dead cause of exploiters or ls crim activity lowered , is ls turfs the only main reason of this ? Absolutely not. , the new rob system ia totally dumb and no fun like what's the point of aiming T the pes for a whole damn minutes, maybe turfs sereprated some crim groups and sided them maybe we see some toxicity in teamchat but dont u see why ? Because there is more competition now between groups not only on gettings 6/6 in ce or being top1 crim daily but taking over LS is something big now. Like for my group specifically (chaosguardians) getting ls is making more people applying than being top 1 group and I believe its the same for other groups because new ls players like turfing so why removing the fun. I respect ur choice but I dont think its the best option right now
I absolutely agree with you.
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I agree with this, Cuz it killing CE's, Specially LV players so why not?
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I totally agree with you Bokila, people are always busy with gang wars and CEs/ARs are empty. Obviously LS turfs affects the whole criminal side. At least if they don't want to remove them they can add a turf limit for each group, for example 5 turfs with the maximum payment. That's gonna bring less wars and toxicity imo. :tick:
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Covering most of LS with turfs was a bad idea and even some people managed to abuse this system to gain tons of money, I hope Arran at least return the old LS turfing that included only 5-6 small turfs instead of the current one.
Or even add a preference that will be only changed daily (Not hourly like with the other preferences) so players could vote if to remove it or keep it that one 'day'based on the the day before voting progress.
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Covering most of LS with turfs was a bad idea and even some people managed to abuse this system to gain tons of money, I hope Arran at least return the old LS turfing that included only 5-6 small turfs instead of the current one.
Or even add a preference that will be only changed daily (Not hourly like with the other preferences) so players could vote if to remove it or keep it that one 'day'based on the the day before voting progress.
I agree with Jonio, Old LS turfing was much more better than the current, the current turfing covering the whole LS is a bad idea like Jonio said, it decreased the CnR activity alot, So I'd like to see the old LS turfing back again since Criminal Groups now focus only on turfing and this's a bad thing for Cops.
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I totally agree with you. Not to mention that LS turfs caused/spread toxicity and hate among players, LS used to be a calm city without players hating/provoking each other. LS should be a city of CnR/Events as it used to be years ago. I hardly see a cop killing hosted by criminals or players attending CE's/AR's. LV always been a city of gang wars and turfing, adding LS turfs made LV completely die cus most of the groups rather to go to the highest turf payment and lowest spending. Current LV is totally dead, it contains only three or four groups plus 3 of them are in the same alliance which made it even more worth.
Most of LS players don't want to turf in LV due to players exploiting and abusing bugs and making it unplayable for them but there is an existing feature which is preferences that the majority can vote for whether they want the fast speed or the normal one and so on.
But, instead of removing a whole feature/script that Arran or any other mapper worked on we can decrease LS turfs to a maximum of (5-10) as it used to be.
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Playerspeak is nowadays 200-300 , so please don't mention "old cit " too much :fp:
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bad thing for cops? are you kidding me? cops are always less than criminals and you want to make it worse?
I'm not talking about side's peak :fp:, I'm now talking about the CnR activity, I only find 8 or 7 criminals in CEs nowadays and it was more than 20 before, this new LS turfing made the CnR so inactive, and one big example the Armed Robberies.
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Anything changed? I think the suggestion will improve LV popularity again. Also ls players will focus on crim jobs and ce&ar. :tick:
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As the oldest criminal group founder currently active, i've seen it all in LS and nothing affected LS more than the turfing system. We just want to regain back the fun that has been taken from us. Instead, the LS removal suggestions keep getting denied and they keep pushing down our throat this whole turfing system along with the toxic players.
To be honest, With this you aren't gaining the fun back, You are ruining it and will lose the fun in LS, I have mentioned, Asking you to think about improving LV, A way to make turf system is better, Let's think together, If we did that to LS, Then we will just lose players again and you obviously didn't help in anything, Instead your ruined it, Still negative, Think about improving LV to attract players to it again.
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Hey,
Once I joined the server, criminal team and LS had an incredible teamwork and plans against cops, let’s take a look at team chat now, criminals are now nothing but haters, toxic and misbehaving, also getting more punishes.
Teamwork went straightly down, criminals are not playing together, leaving his wanted fellows around stuck with bunch of cops because he’s some kind of a group hater or whatever, Los Santos was way more better than now, it is a CnR city, don’t you see ARs? it is empty 24/7, why ? because half of LS are always busy turfing, we got LV it is a pure gangster city for a reason.
CnR is down, enough.
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Ricardo take it ez, simply make an team chat for gangsters and team chat for criminals so u (as criminal) will never watch toxic shit in ur chat and will never find any haters at your chat (Criminal chat)
The toxicity is only a reason why they should be removed.
Not to mention that we get owned in Criminal Events because groups are usually turfing and making wars till late night. If you go in the Criminal Events after, obviously it will be only crowded by Criminals because the cops that have been waiting for you all day to fight them eventually get bored and quit the game. (this reply is for a previous post regarding people complaining about CnR cops activity)
EDIT: Seems like his post got somehow removed. However, my statement regarding his post stays the same.
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Yes, restrict people's playstyle just because it's not /your/ preferred style of play. I've seen this argument a million times, and it always comes from the same people from the same group..
Removing turfs in LS won't make your riots any bigger or the CB team any more important, it will just cause people who found fun in turfing to stop playing. Which may perhaps be a good result for you, but not for the server's playercount.
Remember what happened when the LS turf system got removed last year? LS activity still hasn't recovered since then -- the days of balanced 50v50 wars are over, now it's just cracking and turf trolling among other annoying tactics. This new turfing system isn't the best, admittedly, but it keeps people entertained, so why remove it altogether? Why not just come up with suggestions to improve & balance it?
Also, there's far less cops on this server than criminals, so I really don't understand why we need to force more criminals.
P.S. Nobody moved to LS because they were getting beaten up in LV, it's two completely different types of gameplay. Most people prefer LS, because it is closer to conventional combat in GTA SA, whereas LV is a buggy and exploitative mess that's hard to learn for the uninitiated.
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Even though I truly respect you bokila, but removing LS turf? The only thing that makes LS interesting for gangsters dude like LV turfs are the only thing that keeps LV favorite of everyone. So are LS turfs because as I have been part of this community from around 5 to 4 years (Not forum) I have known this pretty well because behides I only traveled around LS and I think removing LS turfs which work perfectly as Nikos mentioned, would be a waste of time and it's gonna get lots of hate. You think you're doing something great for the community but in reality you aren't you're just making it worst for gangsters and trust me you don't wanna do ir,. Negative
Plus not everyone is good in LV, LV is always about binds and YOUR FPS and PING. Now. You think person who has slow net and patato PC will be able to play on LV? HUH and about the "Toxicity" "Misbehaving" it's never gonna stop and trust me if LS turfs get removed people will leave and you'll be the one who hears all the crap from other players. Just because you think CnR needs more criminals doesn't mean you'll destroy other people's hope to grain money it's still there choose and you said how's removing LS turfs gonna improve CnR? People will join civilian side or law and maybe some might even go to LV so how is it a raise? And why do you really want LS turfs removed huh? And don't throw that Toxicity shit on me I ain't going down easy.
And LS turfs is fun because people fight each other over one territory and that's called roleplay and shit ton of group depend on LS turfs because they give them hope that they are something. It doesn't mean that you're CB so you know everything that's right for our community
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Ricardo take it ez, simply make an team chat for gangsters and team chat for criminals so u (as criminal) will never watch toxic words in ur chat and will never find any haters at your chat (Criminal chat)
Then you want to remain toxic behavior, nice reason.
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Agree, LS turfs should be removed for a long time ago because it's really useless, Los Santos means everything, CnR, Hoods, Police stations, Civilian work but not turfing due to that it's not suitable for Los Santos. In the old system, LV was just only to turf, I watched many videos about old CIT, 700-1200 players most of them are Cops and Criminals. It was really amazing thing but the recent updates just ruined that thing. And that thing goes for binds too, LS has been fully destroyed because of these binds, I hope that we can add that thing on ./pr so players can decide that.
I have nothing to say anymore, I'd vote "Positive"
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Agree, LS turfs should be removed for a long time ago because it's really useless, Los Santos means everything, CnR, Hoods, Police stations, Civilian work but not turfing due to that it's not suitable for Los Santos. In the old system, LV was just only to turf, I watched many videos about old CIT, 700-1200 players most of them are Cops and Criminals. It was really amazing thing but the recent updates just ruined that thing. And that thing goes for binds too, LS has been fully destroyed because of these binds, I hope that we can add that thing on ./pr so players can decide that.
I have nothing to say anymore, I'd vote "Positive"
How the hell do you think LS isn't for turfing the whole place is filled with hoods which means it is meant for turfing and LV isn't made for all type of players but LS turfs are. So and about the binds blame the person who suggested it not LS turfs
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Even if LS turfs got removed LV won't back like it was in past, @Bokila I'm not disappointing you but I'm just saying a fact that you guys can't understand, LV players left that city due to some reasons like school, college, and irl issues, and some of them wanna try LS, and some players found better games, so do you think removing LS will bring back LV? I don't think so, the only way to get back LV active back is to bring back old players, but sadly they don't play this game anymore.. but LS turfs should never be existing, maybe if we removed LS turfs LV will be more active.
Anyways, positive vote!
Thanks.
may u give me any reasons of removing ls turfs? ls turfs got nothing to do with CnR lol it's never effect it everybody's free to use /gangster or /criminal or /go police officer so pls don't blame ls turfs or us (gangsters) cuz CEs died or (CnR) thats none of our business that peoples enjoy ls turfs more than playing at bored CEs go suggest how to improve CEs intsead of removing the feature (ls turfs/wars) which peoples enjoying it more than ur gameplay (CEs/riots)
As I said above LS turfs should never be existing since this city was made for CnR, You got another activities to do in LS, but u chose to destroy LV for your own desire.
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What's the point of keep attending CE/AR all the time? Individuals can do it without entering such a group. LS is not made only for robberies.
Try to make changes in LV to attract players rather than removing major players' areas of interest.
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What's the point of keep attending CE/AR all the time? Individuals can do it without entering such a group. LS is not made only for robberies.
Try to make changes in LV to attract players rather than removing major players' areas of interest.
make changes in LV like what sir? Removing fast switch and destroying it again? We all saw that when it got removed it was empty, no wars.
So please tell me what changes we should make to suggest it :fp:
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make changes in LV like what sir? Removing fast switch and destroying it again? We all saw that when it got removed it was empty, no wars.
So please tell me what changes we should make to suggest it :fp:
So what's the point of removing LS turfs huh? So you get more newbies players to kill? Damm son you never get anything do you? LS isn't only about CnR anyone can do whatever they want you can't force people to attend CEs just because you feel it's right
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Finally someone said it, Ls is going toxic day by day since this Ls turfs system got added The team chat become a war zone people are talking badly all day long and groups start having gang wars. you can't even enjoy the criminal life. criminals are turning into gangsters the criminal events players are decreasing everyday and we have a huge problems in getting criminals to riots because they are busy turfing or trolling, and of course the biggest problem here is that Ls is now full of many abusers from Lv. They are exploiting and making it hard for Ls players and that's unfair we really need to separate Lv things from the Ls life like before.
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Just because the turfs are Located in LS doesn't mean that they are the reason that CnR is inactive. They are unrelated and just happen to be in the same area on the map.
Here is a funny thing to think about.
If the turfs would have been created for example in SF, 70% of you wouldnt complain that its destroying CnR. But the turfs being in LS makes most people assume that its the reason that CnR is dying.
Basically the argument that LS is a city of CnR and nothing else is "bullshit" because the location of the turfs being switched from x to y wouldnt change anything. The Turfs just happen to be located in LS where there are also CnR activities. (Think of it as a different layer to a city that you only have access too if you do /gangster, since it wont even affect you if you are /criminal)
Think about it, what would really change if the turfs were moved to SF?, ill tell you what would probably happen. The same players turfing in LS would move to SF instead and you would still have low CnR acitivty. Thats why the LS is a CnR city is a bad argument.
And the fact some people want to remove the turfs to increase the CnR activity is absurd. The players in these LS criminal groups are turfing instead of CnR out of their own free will. If they wanted to do CnR they could go do CnR without any effort whatsoever.
What you instead should be looking at is why the players are choosing the turf instead of CnR, and then try to balance it. Because perhaps it has to do with payments etc. (Not implying its a payment problem, could be anything)
At the moment its sounding a lot like this to me: The activity that I like to do is underpopulated, lets remove the other unrelated activity that many people enjoy so that we can force them to play CnR
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What I find funny is rather than admit that riots/CEs/ARs are becoming boring and find new and creative ways to engage players, the CB team choose to blame their pitfalls on LS turfs and other things and request that they be removed. The real thing that should be removed is the CB team because it currently contributes nothing.
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Finally someone said it, Ls is going toxic day by day since this Ls turfs system got added The team chat become a war zone people are talking badly all day long and groups start having gang wars. you can't even enjoy the criminal life. criminals are turning into gangsters the criminal events players are decreasing everyday and we have a huge problems in getting criminals to riots because they are busy turfing or trolling, and of course the biggest problem here is that Ls is now full of many abusers from Lv. They are exploiting and making it hard for Ls players and that's unfair we really need to separate Lv things from the Ls life like before.
The thing is in CIT Trailer it says the word "Freedom" and it's other people's choose what to do you are just forcing other players to attend CEs just because you feel it's boring alone. See as CIT is made in real life and roleplay so have you seen any criminal organization making alliance together, I mean I know few criminal organization have made alliance but other s just wanna fight each other to be the conquer. So removing LS turfs is like removing all the fun part of LS expect CEs.What I find funny is rather than admit that riots/CEs/ARL are becoming boring and repetitive and find new and creative ways to engage players, the CB team just blame their pitfalls on LS turfs and other things and request that they be removed. The real thing that should be removed is the CB team because it currently contributes nothing.
Dude we don't really need to remove CB Team they are supposed to be the ones who lead us so let it be, there are lots of CBs those who actually are really good I won't say bad things to any CB I respect them all I'd happily do anything for them but removing LS turfs? That is a thing I would definitely never support
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Dude we don't really need to remove CB Team they are supposed to be the ones who lead us so let it be, there are lots of CBs those who actually are really good I won't say bad things to any CB I respect them all I'd happily do anything for them but removing LS turfs? That is a thing I would definitely never support
Agreed with you on LS turfing. But honestly, I think if there is a fall in CnR activity, then the CB team should be the first ones to try and find solutions to the issue, as you said, they are meant to lead the criminal team. But I genuinely don't see many suggestions/contributions from them other than remove LS turfing, which is counterproductive. To me, the CB role seems like more of a status symbol than anything atm. We have so many CBs, yet CnR is in its worst state that I've seen since joining this server. Funny how CnR was still alive and well while there were 100 player LS turf wars going on.
On a more positive note, thanks to whoever worked hard on adding new CE and AR maps, it's appreciated and did momentarily boost CnR. But it didn't last sadly, and now we need to find another way to improve CnR without ruining and dictating other's gameplay just for the sake of it.
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Hello, this suggestion has been made countless times and it has always been locked even though it reached a decent amount of votes. Last time it was locked because a certain LV player suggested it and Arran didn't seem quite convinced so he locked it by saying.Let me break it down for you. LV has a lower player count because the LV players which couldn't compete in LV decided to move to LS because it would be easier for them to claim turfs. This is the real reason, they might hide between lies but the thing is that they can't do nothing in LV so they decided to come in LS.
Secondly, no. It wouldn't make sense to remove the LV turfs because since a very long time LV has been known as the city of turfing and LS was known as the CnR city.
Let's take it step by step.
LS Before and After:
LS used to be a Cops and Robbers city. People in the team chat used to make riot plans and strategies in order to fight cops. Right now, the criminal chat has changed to a level of toxicity that we've only seen back in the days in LV. People understand the rules and they don't flame but it doesn't mean that without flame there is no toxicity. People fighting each other over which group took takeover and which didnt, people fighting for which one is the most skilled, people talking about how they "rekt" x player and how "x" player is lagging and the list goes on. I am SICK of this kind of behaviour and I guess I am not the only one. Sometimes I involve myself too in this type of chats because it gets annoying to see how toxic the Criminal Team chat has became.
Let's take it from a perspective of an old criminal leader/founder of a group which is not entirely good at combat and exploiting tactics. He logs in, his base gets invaded by 13 years old kids which turf 24/7 and he cannot fight them because they keep coming over and over again. This is amazingly annoying. Even in LV the base attacks are punishable. What will the guy do? Obviously just quit the game since he is aware that he would have to fight for serveral hours to protect his base. Why would a normal person with a job and real life issues spend his time in a game where all he has to do is fight over a turf? That's right, he wouldn't.
There are alot of old criminals that left because they see no hope anymore in the current system. Back then, the groups were mostly reviewed on their behaviour and their contributions to the criminal side. Now, it doesn't matter anymore. As long as you have a group which turfs 24/7 why would you need that? The people will join your group anyway because you are constantly having many turfs which is a source of income for the players. The thing that annoys me is that it doesn't matter the group quality as long as you have got the quantity and the combat power. It doesn't matter if you're smart or not, all it matters is that you can kill a player in an 1v1 fight. THIS is the LV mentality and it should be OUT of LS.
Regarding the CnR, it just became a "side mission". CnR teams balance based on the amount of players that are turfing. If there are big "wars" in LS then cops would easly win every single CE. If there is no "war" then the criminals might actually have a chance to fight the cops (that in case the "criminals" of the "official crimianl groups" don't play as cops).
LV Before and After
LV used to be the place where it doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't prove it in combat. After the addition of the LS turfs, the weak LV groups tried moving into LS to prove they are strong and by time, LV became empty. I respect how LV works but the addition of the LS turfs made some groups move in LS and share their toxicity in the criminal chat. Back then LV used to have alot of groups, alliances, big wars. Now, if you gather all the active groups in LV you might notice that it is the number of groups a LV alliance used to have. LV was not ruined by the players, LV was ruined by the updates that gave the LV players the chance to play in LS and ruin the old LS players experience. Besides this, with the addition of fastswitch in LS, it became an easier job for the exploiters to gain unfair advantages so why would they move back to LV? Why not to continue ruining the criminals experience with their toxicity? That's their hobby, they enjoy it.
Now, you might say that the old criminals left CIT because the game is getting old but, HOW do you explain that CIT is barelly reaching top 5 in the servers top when it used to be number 1? HOW? You knew from the beginning that the addition of LS turfs would bring a drastic change to the server and you still went through with it. This is the result of countless suggestions on bringing back the old LS and even though they have been ignored so fast, people are still suggesting it.
About Arran's reply, how comes that people in LV never suggested a change there? It is because THEY LIKE IT. This is why we keep suggesting the removal of LS turfs, because WE DON'T LIKE the current state of LS and we would like to return back to our previous state of a CRIMINAL TEAM.
"like it being part of the rest of the server again"
The removal of the LS turfs would make LS be part of the server again. We didn't reach those 1400 players peak in this system.
This will be my last attempt of making things right regarding the CnR suggestions as suggesting anything won't matter anymore. People would still be concentraded on this stupid turfing system and they will continue ignoring any further update regarding LS.
I don't agree... LS turfs was made for players which aren't good at turfing in LV. Really you want force players to turf in LV? I think some LS crime groups has fun at turfing and unlike LV I didn't notice any toxics in main chat or even team chat very much. If player is too much toxic. He can be always muted. Downvoting :cros:
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Cleanup, please don't go off topic by posting no sense. Thanks.
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Upvoting :tick: LS should be related tô criminal activity and nothing else.
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So to have the full experience of turfing (turfing over the whole map), I should go to LV? And then get gang banged there from groups and experience players with binds?
Newbies tends to play as Gangstar in LS, they love the experience they get, even if they are alone. Even if they are from a Civilian group, they asks their group mates if they want to Turf in LS (from my experience), LS is a crim city and it's no wonder why turfs should be there as a takeover feels satisfying. Yesterday night there was a huge war going on and everyone was too into it because they like it. Let players do what they actually like and not remove the whole map turfing system just for the sake of CnR
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So you want LS players who like turfing to become LV players . Thats someones "Right" doesnt matter IF some one Is LS player that he has no chances to turf in LS . People said that ARL is inactive ??? Is that because of turfing ??? :fp: :fp: no way . Everyone knows that arl is dead because of "LOW" reward If We simply incrase reward to 2k rep per robery things will chance . I am suggesting turfing system to be simple like old one with 14 tufs at all in LS in some locations and thats all . There is no proovement that Because of turfing arl or another activiti is dead :cros: ｢(ﾟﾍﾟ)
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Finally a LS leader sees my perspective. LV was always the city of no laws and gangwars. LS turfs although it can be fun is not as fun as LV turfs. LS should be a city of CnR (Cops and Robbers) just as how we have SF dedicated to being a city of civilian workers. I personally left LV because of toxic retards and I was tired of the same toxicity everyday and now LS is full of more toxic retards than LV because no one really plays in LV anymore. A few days ago there were 164 people in the server, 24 of them were in LV and 13 of the 24 were in the same group with the rest of people from various groups including their allies were afk in LV.
Am I agree with TJ LS its now full of toxic people and the LV its dead the most ls group care more to take LS from the CnR activity if the turfs removed that will make LV more active 3group own lv and that is the group with the most members so if we will remove the turfs from LS people will turf in lv and many of the old LVers will back to fight Upvoting
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If you wanna remove something you gotta replace it with something else (new).
what did Arran replace when he added LS turfs? nothing lol
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as u mentioned LV players who couldn't catch up they left and went to LS and what will happen if u remove the LS turfs? the ones who can catch up will come back to LV but the rest (Majority) will basically leave the server or resign as gangster
with making the main City Inactive from gang activities it will also damage the cop side with lower amout of criminals + old CNR servers used to have turfs that cops could participate too to secure the area and secure it for the government
tho removing LS turf is not a good idea in my opinion.
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I'm sick of the toxicity, provocations, insults and things like that, so i think it's a good idea.
About CnR: Many criminals are unable to attend riots due to the FPS problem, it's one thing to keep in mind, it's not all the turf's fault.
If the turfs are removed : We should plan some changes like improve the AR's and roll back some updates. Fix LV combat system and improve criminal payment $$$.
Upvoting.
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1 - We removed LS turfs around 3 Fucking times and add it back . Because its working perfectly without any problems. isn't it a shame to remove it again ?
now lets don't hide the fact that LV is dead since months and LS turfs is not the reason and it will never be the fucking reason. I never liked Spamming Grenades and RPGs and the fast game style not to mention how much money you lose, Trust me newbies won't bother themselves going to it. and I will not bother myself too
2 - If we removed LS turfs because CnR is inactive. Well I kinda agree with you, last time LS turfs got removed Criminal Events and ARs were active as hell, then by time people started to get bored. Like seriously why would I do the same shit everyday because I can't turf in LV ? If you want to remove LS turfs then Fix LV and make it playable for everyone not for some people only
Definitely I don't support this till you find a solution for LV
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I agree with you this new turf system made trolls and other bad things that make groups and players hate each other , and even quieting the game :tick: if arran lock this topic that's mean CIT dead *it is already dead but maybe this will make at least changes*
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Well I said it already but I say again. Why we won't just make another chat for gangsters and for criminals? It isn't turf fault. It's people fault.
Removing turfs won't change anything in CNR activity because don't cheat yourself. Robbing shops is bad. ARs are dead and not everyone like LV or CEs. Also CIT has lost players for other many reasons. Even if you like CEs don't force to play by your style.
What about it? @Bokila
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I agree on this
also if arran made LS turfs because of "exploiters " in LV then he can just set the speed back to normal in LV and lets get back to the good old days....
plus I see that explosives in LV are sooo used in LV more than guns,so we can add that Limit for throwing explosives.
if u guys gonna remove LS turfs I agree on the things I said above,if u wont then dont do anything with LV.
This ^^^^ is for the majority of the people that are wondering what will the LS turfers do if the turfs are gone. I will make sure me and Bhairy will have a detailed suggestion regarding LV and how it could be implemented so everyone will be happy. Things such as bringing back the normal speed, adding explosives as a preference, etc.
Well I said it already but I say again. Why we won't just make another chat for gangsters and for criminals? It isn't turf fault. It's people fault.
Removing turfs won't change anything in CNR activity because don't cheat yourself. Robbing shops is bad. ARs are dead and not everyone like LV or CEs. Also CIT has lost players for other many reasons. Even if you like CEs don't force to play by your style.
Adding a separate chat for both teams won't entirely fix the toxicity problem as i've seen alot of people saying bad stuff while turfing in local chat.
Also it would be some sort of suggestion like the LV one was, splitting it in half. It never worked. Perhaps some gangsters want to attend criminal events and riots and by addition of this they will be even more inactive on the CnR side since they won't even be able to see the calls in the team chat.
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Adding a separate chat for both teams won't entirely fix the toxicity problem as i've seen alot of people saying bad stuff while turfing in local chat.
Also it would be some sort of suggestion like the LV one was, splitting it in half. It never worked. Perhaps some gangsters want to attend criminal events and riots and by addition of this they will be even more inactive on the CnR side since they won't even be able to see the calls in the team chat.
The thing is he's right and he's wrong in the same way LS doesn't need sperate chat just because "He" thinks everyone is spreading toxicity You just need to /ignore people who are toxic and you'll all be fine
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and btw for what we have admins or ICMs or even /ignore? they are here to stop toxic people. There isn't way to make turfing system (both in LS and LV) without toxic people I guess
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It's funny how you guys complaining about "toxicity", while it's a part of every online game, you are always able to complain/ignore whoever with a trollish behavior.
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and btw for what we have admins or ICMs or even /ignore? they are here to stop toxic people. There isn't way to make turfing system (both in LS and LV) without toxic people I guess
Yeah admins and ICMs can reduce the toxicity but they can't remove it all ,people are provoking all day long nowdays and they won't stop it till we remove the turfing system from Ls. but as I can see some people don't mind this toxic behaviour in exchange for Turfing because they like turfing alot in LS which it kills the criminal life for some others it's kinda complicated.and you can't add someone in your ignore list because he is provoking someone else while turfing.
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-Wasn't it shame when you removed the old "fine" robbery system?
-Wasn't it shame when you turned LS into LV v2 with binds and shit?
-Wasn't it shame making it harder for criminals to do anything?
Server name is CIT Cops n Robbers,Gang wars,Civilians, three divisions, each city WAS supposed to have it's unique style. Rn 2 cities are having the same style. Revert back to the old WORKING FINE balance.
This is what I was going to say. As what he said, each city has its supposed RP, LS for CnR, LV for Mafias / Gangsters (turfing), and SF more likely for Civs. Revert back the old system, maybe it will more satisfying to play.
It is not easy to have a CnR event / activity while at the other side, there are gangsters turfing.
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Added as a preference.