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Title: [TOP] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Axe on 07 07, 2022, 02:42:30 am
Well, The title explains the whole idea which is removing the restriction that prevents cops/crims from entering the CE if they got shot 10 seconds before going to marker, I'll explain below everything and i'll try to make it simple and clear as much as I can

Why this should be implemented and what's the benefits from it if it got added and how this will be helpful?: As all of you know, CnR activities is the main reason people playing in LS and the most important reason, We have to improve CnR activities in order to have more new players playing and enjoying in whichever side (either law or cop), from my point of view since the last updates that made about CEs nowadays CEs are reaching to 20v20 (Like old back days when the server was active) and for that i'm suggesting to improve it more by removing the restriction because basically the server is full of restrictions already and no need to add more, also not to mention that cops sometimes camping outside CE (waiting the APB or the high wanted level to try to enter the CE and they shoot him 1 bullet so he can't enter and kill him outside (I have a video but sadly my internet is not helping to upload it)) same goes for criminals and I won't deny that, sometimes criminals are camping outside CEs and kill every cop who tries to enter the CE which is kinda annoying and that's why high wanted level, APBs and even cops ignoring CEs when it's about to start (Cops and Criminals camping outside the CE before it even begins), So yeah, this is annoying and should be reverted back asap.



EDITED: Well, after listening and seeing the community' comments regarding this situation we've came up together with a solution that can fair for both sides which is, If your HP blow 20 and you ran to the marker trying to enter, you won't be able to enter thus, you'll die (Because that's abusing) that's being applied on both sides (law and crim), if a cop his hp under 20 and tried to enter the CE by going to the marker he won't be able to enter, Hopefully I've made it more clear


The suggestion is about replacing the 'you cant enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction with ' You can't enter if u shot in 10 seconds, which means that if a wanted criminal tries to enter the CE with hwp, he will get inside instantly even if he got shot, the only one which the restriction will be applied to is the one who will shoot (If a cop shot the crim while entering, the crim will enter but the cop won't), that's it.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Archiie on 07 07, 2022, 02:47:33 am
I like this idea very much, I play as cop and crim and I can confirm that sometimes I get killed when I try to enter CE because camping outside and this really pisses me off and hate going CEs anymore my vote is Positive I hope this gets added as fast as possible  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: LiteKiller on 07 07, 2022, 02:51:53 am
I'd like to have this reverted back probably it will be a reason for me to play CEs again I play in LV most of the time but I can go to LS and from time to time play CEs because I really like it without anyone pissing me off by killing me before I even enter :fp: Positive :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: iFighTeR7 on 07 07, 2022, 02:58:44 am
To be honest I was going to suggest something like that because I am one From criminals   force that alot, cops being camping outside CEs and they shoot you so u need to wait 20 seconds to enter otherwise you died because of cops so that's annoying really  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: saloNe' on 07 07, 2022, 03:02:40 am
liked this idea so much I agree on this it will be fair for cops and crims and also I see people saying that they might come back playing ces if this gets reverted if thats the case then why not, i'm always positive for server's improvements, positive
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Jokey on 07 07, 2022, 03:12:43 am
I am sorry but fuck no, it's literally a tactic to shoot wanted criminals before they enter the CEs, it helps those inside and outside, plus it's pretty obvious that if the restriction is removed, both cops and criminals are going to start avoid being killed by entering right before dying, decreasing the timer might be tolerable but a complete removal of the restriction? That's going to be a big   :cros:  from me.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Axe on 07 07, 2022, 03:34:03 am
I am sorry but fuck no, it's literally a tactic to shoot wanted criminals before they enter the CEs,
excuse me, but what's the tactic that you wait outside the CE just to kill the high wanted players and APBs those who WANT TO ENJOY AND PLAY THE CE? It's not a tactic lol.
it helps those inside and outside, plus it's pretty obvious that if the restriction is removed, both cops and criminals are going to start avoid being killed by entering right before dying, decreasing the timer might be tolerable but a complete removal of the restriction? That's going to be a big   :cros:  from me.
'outside' CEs meant to be played INSIDE and not OUTSIDE.. decreasing it will not really help, you can shoot the wanted criminals and even if its 5 secs and you got shot so you wont be able to enter you can still get damaged even if you're in protected area so what you said is not logic.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Jokey on 07 07, 2022, 03:50:46 am
...so you wont be able to enter you can still get damaged even if you're in protected area so what you said is not logic.
what does this have to do with criminals avoiding dying by entering the CE? There is protected area there.


excuse me, but what's the tactic that you wait outside the CE just to kill the high wanted players and APBs those who WANT TO ENJOY AND PLAY THE CE? It's not a tactic lol.
The tactic is that instead of having to fight 25 criminals in CE, cops get to fight only 15, because the other LAW members outside didn't allow the wanted criminals to get in the CE. Either way criminals have the feature to payjailfine automatically, so it's not like dying right outside the CE will make any criminal not want to do it anymore, and you can clearly see that nowadays. Although there is restriction, criminals are still winning the CEs, so how would removing it be beneficial for both sides?  :cringe:


In your case, I don't think you made this suggestion with both sides benefitting in mind. My vote remains a big humongous  :cros:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: R0T? on 07 07, 2022, 04:02:21 am
I would to say we shouldn't removing the restriction, but if it reduce from 10 sec to 3 sec will be better  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Axe on 07 07, 2022, 06:00:29 am
what does this have to do with criminals avoiding dying by entering the CE? There is protected area there.

you can still damage the criminal if u shoot him before he enters the protected area, he will still be able to get damaged by ur shoots even when he's inside the protected area, try that yourself.

The tactic is that instead of having to fight 25 criminals in CE, cops get to fight only 15, because the other LAW members outside didn't allow the wanted criminals to get in the CE. Either way criminals have the feature to payjailfine automatically, so it's not like dying right outside the CE will make any criminal not want to do it anymore, and you can clearly see that nowadays.
Man, You should play the CE the way it is, you shouldn't be camping outside to kill wanted crims and they wanna enjoy CEs, you just ruining the fun for them and pissing them off which prob makes most of the crims quit eventually after getting killed outside a CE with a high wanted level.. and how come 25 criminals in CE and there's a limit of 7 players (unless you're DL2+) only can enter before the CE starts, you just accusing with 0 proofs bud. and if the 25 criminals who want to enjoy the server by doing CEs got killed outside and u ruined the fun for them, wont they quit because of ur 'TACTIC'?
Although there is restriction, criminals are still winning the CEs, so how would removing it be beneficial for both sides?  :cringe:
Can you show us how criminals winning CEs? both sides wins CEs because it's either a win or a lose event lol not only 1 side, give us proofs that only crim side still winning CEs..


I would to say we shouldn't removing the restriction, but if it reduce from 10 sec to 3 sec will be better  :tick:
man It doesn't matter the seconds can u please understand? even if I reduced it to 1 sec it will change nothing, See how it goes:

A cop waiting outside CE for the hwp > the HWP tries to 'ENTER THE CE' > He got shot by the cop  camping outside > HE STILL WANNA ENTER BY STAYING IN THE MARKER (PROTECTED AREA by running around it) but he can't due to 'being shot in the last 10 seconds' > the hwp dies, seconds don't really matter in this case

Ain't replying anymore to avoid flooding the topic with a lot of replies.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: dibbix on 07 07, 2022, 09:26:11 am
Positive. Campers do have a huge advantage when it comes to this so my vote is yes, in order to fix the problem.  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Sabfas on 07 07, 2022, 10:53:17 am
I mainly play as a cop and I am not a big fan of cops camping around the CE enterance/exit.. Now that is out the way.. This restriction was put in place to restrict some criminals from abusing the CE enterance wrapping you to a different dimesion, mainly by shooting cops around and rushing to the enterance when they are finally about to die, making for an equally annoying act to the one you described. However, this restriction created another predicament of which your suggestion is about.

I would say, replace the current restriction with another one that prevents you from entering if your last shooting was 10 seconds before.. Meaning, it is okay to be shot at to enter (That's not under your control) but you are not allowed to enter if you were the one shooting. This sound easy to implement and should fix both.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Jokey on 07 07, 2022, 12:12:07 pm

A cop waiting outside CE for the hwp > the HWP tries to 'ENTER THE CE' > He got shot by the cop  camping outside > HE STILL WANNA ENTER BY STAYING IN THE MARKER (PROTECTED AREA by running around it) but he can't due to 'being shot in the last 10 seconds' > the hwp dies, seconds don't really matter in this case

Ain't replying anymore to avoid flooding the topic with a lot of replies.

The fact that keep talking about how cops wait outside the CE shows that you made this with criminal benefits in mind.


Why this should be implemented and what's the benefits from it if it got added and how this will be helpful?: As all of you know, CnR activities is the main reason people playing in LS and the most important reason, We have to improve CnR activities in order to have more new players playing and enjoying in whichever side (either law or cop),


this contradicts what you wrote in the main reply, you're trying to make it more enjoyable for criminals.

Though I will say I have to agree with Sabfas, changing the restriction so that it only takes place when shots are fired sounds like it would do more good than bad.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: HomoS on 09 07, 2022, 07:36:56 pm
I like the idea, Cops are always camping outside the CE for wanted criminals and it's almost impossible to enter the CE without getting outnumbered by Cops, so you must lose all your wanted level and start all over again to enter CE and that's completely unfair!, I'm positive for this idea! :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Connor# on 09 07, 2022, 08:50:12 pm
Smart Idea, having a feature like this would help a lot, still but for people who use the EC entrance as an escape, and something pretty unfair, Positive. :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: zurq on 09 07, 2022, 09:10:55 pm
Imma ask before giving my opinion about this suggestion.

Won't this be a "lil" abusable? Like u keep shooting cops till u get a one single HP and then you run away as the crow flies to the CE, wasn't that annoying tho?
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Axe on 09 07, 2022, 09:12:36 pm
Imma ask before giving my opinion about this suggestion.

Won't this be a "lil" abusable? Like u keep shooting cops till u get a one single HP and then you run away as the crow flies to the CE, wasn't that annoying tho?
I can think of a restriction to prevent such a thing, like if your hp (a cop or a crim) below 20-25 and u tried to enter the CE you'll die immediately, what about that?
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Cerberus on 09 07, 2022, 09:24:50 pm
Definitely a POSITIVE vote for this.

On a number of occasions, cops are always just waiting outside the entrances of Criminal Events for criminals so that they can shoot/arrest them, and it's really ridiculous. This suggestion will hopefully help to put an end to that. Would really like to see this implemented.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: HosttyBoy on 09 07, 2022, 09:30:52 pm
Axe made one of the best suggestions so far. Lets agree that this is based on change'n revert but lets think straight. not being able to enter CE when shot will discourage the criminals from attending CEs. most criminals attend ARs and when its time for CE, cops camp at the entrance of the CE and shoot any criminal that is trying to enter the CE which make the CE basically dead. So we need something to change that and make CEs alive.   :tick:  :thumb:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: zurq on 09 07, 2022, 09:50:41 pm
I can think of a restriction to prevent such a thing, like if your hp (a cop or a crim) below 20-25 and u tried to enter the CE you'll die immediately, what about that?

That'd be absolutely amazing. If your HP is below 20 for example, you won't die. But instead, you won't be even able to enter.
Put the idea of restriction you just said to your suggestion so people will get the main idea of your suggestion on an uncomplicated way.

Nonetheless, I am thoroughly positive. I liked this idea sm. :tick:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Mazenolla on 09 07, 2022, 10:09:54 pm
I totally agree with your suggestion but what is I expect to happen that it is going to be the other way around. Instead of cops camping outside, criminals will be camping outside killing cops and if they hit one hp, they're probably going to run towards the marker. I think we should think of prevention or a way to solve either teams camping outside. Maybe just lowering the amount of seconds where instead of 10 seconds it can be 5 or something to similar to what you stated.

I can think of a restriction to prevent such a thing, like if your hp (a cop or a crim) below 20-25 and u tried to enter the CE you'll die immediately, what about that?
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Axe on 09 07, 2022, 10:35:46 pm
@EvilKoala @R0T? @Legacy @Sabfas

I've edited the main post on the suggestion, feel free to read the 'EDITED' part.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: HosttyBoy on 09 07, 2022, 10:41:09 pm
I totally agree with your suggestion but what is I expect to happen that it is going to be the other way around. Instead of cops camping outside, criminals will be camping outside killing cops and if they hit one hp, they're probably going to run towards the marker. I think we should think of prevention or a way to solve either teams camping outside. Maybe just lowering the amount of seconds where instead of 10 seconds it can be 5 or something to similar to what you stated.
isn't there a protection area near each CE?  「(゚ペ) 「(゚ペ) 「(゚ペ)

Added a 2 meter safe zone around each CE entrance marker. (Arran + HosttyBoy)
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Jokey on 09 07, 2022, 10:52:51 pm
@EvilKoala @R0T? @Legacy @Sabfas

I've edited the main post on the suggestion, feel free to read the 'EDITED' part.
It is less abusable now I suppose but I think what Sabfas suggested is best, just make it so that if you shoot before entering the CE you get restricted from entering for the next 10 seconds.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Cerberus on 09 07, 2022, 11:13:31 pm
criminals will be camping outside killing cops and if they hit one hp, they're probably going to run towards the marker

What's to say that cops won't do the exact same thing?

+ There is a protected area at entrances of CEs
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: WizarD on 10 07, 2022, 06:33:29 am
It's really annoying to see over 10 cops standing on a roof next to a CE spamming MGs and trying to damage as many wanted criminals as possible just to prevent them from entering the CE in order to trap and kill them.
Positive.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Akkaman on 10 07, 2022, 07:01:03 am
the suggestion is well-explained by axe and I find it not abuse-able by any chance after the edit he made on the main post, I'm always up for improvements for the CEs because sometimes I get bored from LV and start to do CEs and ARs, so this changes are really useful and needed
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Agent 47 on 10 07, 2022, 08:14:53 am
Keeping in mind that apb can now be issued on a player who's inside the ce,
this is a stupid idea, suppose a player with 850 wp enters ce, there remains no way that someone will be able to stop him from getting Apb, since he will be playing safely behind his fellows until and unless he achieves that apb. In order to prevent that, the cops can make a tactic to stop him from entering the ce by damaging him.
 Hence, no change is required here. 
:cros:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: R0T? on 10 07, 2022, 09:41:57 am
@EvilKoala @R0T? @Legacy @Sabfas

I've edited the main post on the suggestion, feel free to read the 'EDITED' part.
Ye, not bad but u need to make it fair for other I'm explain below:
under 50 hp or low won't be able to enter, 50 hp it's fine if ur with armor or not (quarter if u still have armor, One third if u lose ur armor )
anyway under 20 hp or 50 hp won't be able to enter better than still waiting for 10 sec to enter (after getting damage) 
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Dark. on 10 07, 2022, 09:44:24 am
I'll obviously vote positive because in my point of view, it will make big changes to the current CEs system (will make it more enjoyable and entertainment for crims to go and join the CE without thinking of being killed outside by the cops) therefore, the CEs will be back to what they were before, and everyone will start playing and enjoying, so im positive
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: zurq on 10 07, 2022, 11:59:18 am
EDITED: Well, after listening and seeing the community' comments regarding this situation we've came up together with a solution that can fair for both sides which is, If your HP blow 20 and you ran to the marker trying to enter, you won't be able to enter thus, you'll die (Because that's abusing) that's being applied on both sides (law and crim), if a cop his hp under 20 and tried to enter the CE by going to the marker he won't be able to enter, Hopefully I've made it more clear

Heyo, @Axe

What about if the cop/crim was trying to enter while his HP is below 20, he won't be able to enter so the cop/crim can kill that guy himself. Because dying is a solution but it sounds bad.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Fa[M]oUs on 10 07, 2022, 12:49:15 pm
I liked this suggestion and the idea itself, I barely play in LS but sometimes I go there to enjoy with my friends and the most thing I enjoy doing there as a criminal is CEs tbh they're very competitive and great, improving them more will probably make more players interested into playing them so why not adding this?? I'M POSITIVE
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: AryanGenetics on 10 07, 2022, 03:56:38 pm
When I play as a cop and chase a criminal to CE and get him to low hp he can just go inside like nothing happened. Negative  :cros:
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: TheCwN on 10 07, 2022, 04:47:43 pm
I want to vote positive. For example, you have reached a high wanted level. You ran away from AR and you want to get in to CE. Unfortunately, countless cops are camping outside the CE areas and waiting for kills. We can avoid this with this idea that you have proposed to the community. I'm sure there are a lot of players who agree with me, good luck.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Axe on 10 07, 2022, 05:16:21 pm
Heyo, @Axe

What about if the cop/crim was trying to enter while his HP is below 20, he won't be able to enter so the cop/crim can kill that guy himself. Because dying is a solution but it sounds bad.
The cop/crim who shot and tried to kill him and the other crim/cop ran into the marker, he'll end up getting killed and the cop/crim shot him will get the WP/Money/AP and the everything


CEs can save lives and can be abused. Negative.  :cros:
@TwCafe Is that a valid or a detailed post to vote negative? Hopefully you can deal with this guy
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: 74 on 10 07, 2022, 07:11:47 pm
useful suggestion and a big change for CEs to be enjoyable and playable again, Axe made everything clear as the sun and sometimes I face cops camping outside and when I try to enter they shoot me so I can't enter and they kill me outside which ruins the fun for me actually, Positive
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Connor# on 10 07, 2022, 07:28:52 pm
It's really annoying to see over 10 cops standing on a roof next to a CE spamming MGs and trying to damage as many wanted criminals as possible just to prevent them from entering the CE in order to trap and kill them.
Positive.

But it's a criminal's role, to deal with it, not turn your back to run away, and I mean it's annoying, if a cop tries to kill a criminal, then we'd better end up with server combat lol, and why? , it's annoying ?
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: TwCafe on 10 07, 2022, 07:30:40 pm
CEs can save lives and can be abused. Negative.  :cros:
@AryanGenetics Too effortless and pointless, I won't remove this reply, but it won't be counted as a negative vote either unless you add something details in it.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Music on 10 07, 2022, 07:37:29 pm
Great idea, I always get killed by campers because of this restriction, it's useless,  Positive
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Axe on 11 07, 2022, 12:39:53 am
When I play as a cop and chase a criminal to CE and get him to low hp he can just go inside like nothing happened. Negative  :cros:
'low hp' what's lower than 10 hp?, If the 'criminal' you chasing tried to enter the CE while his HP below 10 he'll get killed and you'll get the kill/AP, so what's the problem?

I highly advice to read the suggestion again because it seems like you don't understand the main idea.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Drackles on 11 07, 2022, 01:22:01 am
This restriction was added to prevent cops and criminals from entering a criminal event while being damaged outside. Just imagine you fight with somebody outside the event, you drain his health to 50-60 and that dude just rushes to the CE marker and enters inside, bypassing all the restrictions and "saving" his life.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: HosttyBoy on 11 07, 2022, 11:20:06 am
When I play as a cop and chase a criminal to CE and get him to low hp he can just go inside like nothing happened. Negative  :cros:
「(゚ペ)  :fp: even if you're about to write such an effortless and confusing statement, back it up with a video...
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Raef on 11 07, 2022, 07:18:56 pm
I can confirm that sometimes either criminals or cops are camping outside and ruining the fun for the other side (especially when criminals stay outside and start killing officers who're willing to enter the event that is in the first place meant to be played inside and not outside). However, I'd like to see the restriction you have suggested because it doesn't also mean you can enter the event directly even when you are low hp and players wasted their ammo trying to kill you. That's clear abuse. 
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Dragon on 11 07, 2022, 08:00:02 pm
I can agree to this suggestion, but in the same time I expect another restriction and my idea is that if you damage someone you won't be able to enter the CE in 10 seconds instead, so if you made an escape you could enter the CE, if you chose to fight then you complete the fight, I'm neutral until I know whether my idea is getting implemented as well or not.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: x_SeYiEr_x on 11 07, 2022, 10:01:01 pm
 Actually it is a good idea, that motivates both teams to get inside CEs if they want to kill.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: AryanGenetics on 12 07, 2022, 04:36:52 pm
'low hp' what's lower than 10 hp?, If the 'criminal' you chasing tried to enter the CE while his HP below 10 he'll get killed and you'll get the kill/AP, so what's the problem?

I highly advice to read the suggestion again because it seems like you don't understand the main idea.

A criminal/Cop being low hp and going in CE and still dying makes no sense. Low hp is considerd having no armor. so 50% of ur hp.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: TwCafe on 13 07, 2022, 07:22:57 pm
19 positive, 4 negative votes. Marked as Medium Priority.
Title: Re: Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs.
Post by: Mazenolla on 13 07, 2022, 09:34:10 pm
isn't there a protection area near each CE?  「(゚ペ) 「(゚ペ) 「(゚ペ)

Added a 2 meter safe zone around each CE entrance marker. (Arran + HosttyBoy)

The protection isn't that big to keep cops safe while getting out of their car and entering the CE when there are 10 criminals shooting at them. In addition, afaik, if you get shot before entering a protected zone, you are still vulnerable to taking damage which doesn't really solve anything except for criminals while cops get to suffer instead of criminals. That is why I tried to think of an idea that would keep both sides satisfied.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: MetallicaGR on 13 07, 2022, 10:24:04 pm
To be honest I see no reason why there is such a feature that doesn't allow wanted criminals to enter a Criminal Event while being shot. I have died countless times because of this since most of the times cops are camping outside waiting for criminals to arrive from the most recent Armed Robbery and they start shooting once we arrive so we either have to fight our way through waves of cops or get lucky and not get shot which sometimes is almost impossible to do.

I definitively upvote this idea  :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: R2003 on 14 07, 2022, 03:49:14 am
The restriction is too annoying for me and I want this feature to be removed so im gonna Positive this one  :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Sheriff on 14 07, 2022, 05:10:32 am
 :cros: Negative

As many have pointed out people would just shoot at others outside and escape to CE when at low HP. Sure, this current system is problematic but we can't just replace one issue with another. We must find solution to both problems.
This is pretty good. I see no downsides:
I would say, replace the current restriction with another one that prevents you from entering if your last shooting was 10 seconds before.. Meaning, it is okay to be shot at to enter (That's not under your control) but you are not allowed to enter if you were the one shooting. This sound easy to implement and should fix both.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Axe on 14 07, 2022, 08:37:52 am
:cros: Negative

As many have pointed out people would just shoot at others outside and escape to CE when at low HP. Sure, this current system is problematic but we can't just replace one issue with another. We must find solution to both problems.
Cops are doing the same and abusing this restriction to kill and ruin the fun for high wps criminals :fp:

About Sabfas' suggestion: It doesn't matter because the problem is not about the one shooting but instead, the one who got shot... A bunch of cops camping outside CE and a high wp criminal trying to enter the CE and once he exit his car, he got shot so how he can be able to enter the CE he must wait 10 seconds WITHOUT getting shot at which is impossible because he'll be killed once he stand on the marker for 1 second. That's totally unrealistic and stupid restriction (this happened to me yesterday when I had 800 WL btw, that's why most of cops are disagreeing with the idea so they can keep abusing it.)
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Waltz on 14 07, 2022, 08:52:21 am
If one of the sides (doesn't matter criminal or cop) hits you even for once you cant enter and you will die because they hit you outside of the protected area. Like Axe said, this is annoying, especially since you have high WL and you will be APB. It will obviously improve the activity of CnR like old days, at least it will make CEs easier.

Positive from me, good luck with others.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Coke on 14 07, 2022, 09:08:20 am
I am upvoting positive for this, the rule made this system broken.  :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Cyaride on 14 07, 2022, 10:45:04 am
I'm giving YES, some cops are keep shooting at enterance to block criminals when they try to enter the building. That's a some king a bug already. Could be nice if we remove this.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Axe on 15 07, 2022, 12:58:23 am
Proof 1 (https://streamable.com/sdtcql)

Proof 2 (https://streamable.com/0z4xpt)

Yeah, so that's how cops are abusing the restriction to kill the hwp or the APB, If you find this enjoyable for the criminal who tried his best to reach that WP and then gets killed like that, then disagree with the idea.  :thumb:

btw I've got more clips.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: BuGsBunny on 15 07, 2022, 01:36:26 am
this is one of my problem when I'm playing as criminal and joining CEs with wanted level. it always happen when the cops are camping outside the CE and waiting to other criminal that have wanted level. I'll go  :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Dokt0R on 15 07, 2022, 02:30:26 am
Suggest widening the protected areas instead would be acceptable for both sides, since cops can already arrest criminals with one nightstick baton inside.

This idea I’m talking about was suggested and accepted before, but Arran expanded the safe zones’ entrances with few meters which changed nothing, because the one who suggested it wasn’t so clear and didn’t specify how he wanted it bigger. Go for it, it will be more fair for both sides imo.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: RX1 on 17 07, 2022, 03:05:05 am
Posstive , many times cops waiting us out of CE to damage us ( block join CE ) then they crack us and killed us. I am really with this suggest  :tick: :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Sheriff on 17 07, 2022, 04:51:24 am
Cops are doing the same and abusing this restriction to kill and ruin the fun for high wps criminals :fp:

About Sabfas' suggestion: It doesn't matter because the problem is not about the one shooting but instead, the one who got shot... A bunch of cops camping outside CE and a high wp criminal trying to enter the CE and once he exit his car, he got shot so how he can be able to enter the CE he must wait 10 seconds WITHOUT getting shot at which is impossible because he'll be killed once he stand on the marker for 1 second. That's totally unrealistic and stupid restriction (this happened to me yesterday when I had 800 WL btw, that's why most of cops are disagreeing with the idea so they can keep abusing it.)
I think you misunderstood this Sabfas' suggestion. It's still about removing this "cant enter when shot in 10 seconds" thing but it'd replace it with "can't enter if you have shot in 10 seconds" or something similar. It would fix both problems. I ain't got nothin' against removing this current restriction if you replace it with something that'll fix this "shoot at people outside and escape to CE when low on HP" thing.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: Axe on 17 07, 2022, 06:05:36 am
I think you misunderstood this Sabfas' suggestion. It's still about removing this "cant enter when shot in 10 seconds" thing but it'd replace it with "can't enter if you have shot in 10 seconds" or something similar. It would fix both problems. I ain't got nothin' against removing this current restriction if you replace it with something that'll fix this "shoot at people outside and escape to CE when low on HP" thing.
Oh yeah, my bad, I couldn't understand Sabfas' suggestion properly, anyway yeah, I'm okay with Sabfas' suggestion, I'll edit the main post and the title once I wakeup.
Title: Re: [++] Removing the 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' restriction from CEs
Post by: TwCafe on 17 07, 2022, 08:04:29 am
26 positive, 5 negative votes. Marked as High Priority.
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Axe on 17 07, 2022, 03:21:31 pm
@Sheriff @Jokey @Sabfas The main suggestion was edited, feel free to read it again.
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Sabfas on 17 07, 2022, 05:47:18 pm
@Sheriff @Jokey @Sabfas The main suggestion was edited, feel free to read it again.

I was positive from the beginning as the current restriction is doing a bit more harm than good (To prevent a small bunch of criminals who abuse the spawn to their advantage.. A restriction was placed that negatively affects ALL criminals).. So any change from the current one is good enough for me.

Not sure how it works here, so for what it is worth (:tick:)
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Jokey on 17 07, 2022, 06:23:58 pm
@Sheriff @Jokey @Sabfas The main suggestion was edited, feel free to read it again.

Yea with the older restriction replaced, people would probably be more interested in CEs, I keep seeing players from both sides complain about other side camping outside, so this would probably pose a good solution for that.  :tick: :tick: :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Sheriff on 17 07, 2022, 06:31:47 pm
@Sheriff @Jokey @Sabfas The main suggestion was edited, feel free to read it again.

I'll change my vote to  :tick: Positive

This restriction will be fair to everyone. No one can disturb each others gameplay outside of CE anymore.
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: inOri on 19 07, 2022, 01:57:21 am
Indeed, I face this problem a lot since I'm actively playing, replacing this restriction with the one mentioned in the topic is a good idea and will solve both sides' problems, Positive
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: ruzgar on 22 07, 2022, 05:01:23 pm
Hello everyone!
I want to share my opinion with you guys here, for both sides this is really annoying. I would like to give positive becuase this is really useful and simple. It will make CE's more enjoyable and funny therefore my vote is positive  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Crash28 on 26 07, 2022, 04:24:00 am
 :tick:
Cops always camp outside and don't enter and it ruins the fun of the CEs
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Culph on 29 07, 2022, 08:05:04 pm
This should be added as wanted criminals want to enter the CE but cops are camping outside so I think this is a great suggestion;.  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Maximo on 03 08, 2022, 12:56:48 pm
Actually, the cops nowadays getting advantage over us in everything even when it come to this section. That's why I was delighted to see this suggestion opened. I am totally supporting it :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Cerberus on 03 08, 2022, 03:40:33 pm
@TwCafe @Dokt0R shouldn't this be marked as TOP priority? According to the board guidelines, something "which ruins the balance of CnR" can be marked as top priority. This is ruining the balance daily for a number of criminals and cops, which causes frustration.
Title: Re: [+++] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: TwCafe on 03 08, 2022, 05:07:07 pm
@TwCafe @Dokt0R shouldn't this be marked as TOP priority? According to the board guidelines, something "which ruins the balance of CnR" can be marked as top priority. This is ruining the balance daily for a number of criminals and cops, which causes frustration.
Marked as TOP Priority.
Title: Re: [TOP] Replacin 'you can't enter when shot in 10 seconds' with something similar.
Post by: Arran on 07 08, 2022, 06:43:27 pm
- Replaced not being able to enter the criminal event if hurt in last 10 seconds with can't enter if fired weapon in last 8 seconds. (Arran + Axe)