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Title: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: TheGam3r23 on 16 05, 2020, 10:11:20 pm
Hi, I am making this topic to move the armor pickup in some AR's because they are placed in such awful spots that make them unusable for criminals. Below I will have a brief statement about why each armor pickup deserves to be moved, the coordinates of the new locations and a photo for each new spot. (Note: the coordinates match the screenshots exactly.)

Dillimore PD:   617.1299, -611.1512, 17.2266, 271, 0, 0    Picture: https://imgur.com/2FVSweb
The armor pickup in this AR is in front of the entrance to the building and cops can shoot and kill criminals from a mile away, while criminals can't do anything about it because they have to wait when taking armor. The new location is inside the building, making it safer for criminals to buy armor and prepare for cops rushing in.

Iron Storage:  93.1822, -195.5667, 1.4844, 359, 0, 0  Picture: https://imgur.com/bfF9fSR
Like in Dillimore PD, the pickup here is by the entrance and criminals are unable to buy armor most of the time because cops can kill them easily. Most of the time in this AR the criminals are stuck inside the building behind those huge pipes and can't get armor because the cops are by the entrance. The new location makes it easier for them to buy armor whilst still taking a risk in case a cop rushes.

LSA Storage:  2204.0637, -2664.0762, 13.5974, 184, 0, 0   Picture: https://imgur.com/Fa4dj4N
Same reasoning as the above two. Pickup is by the door and cops usually rush in and kill criminals while they are armoring up. By moving it to the new location, criminals are safer to buy armor from the front entrance but more exposed to the back one.


Magneto's Villa :  1354.5284, -658.8350, 109.1332, 18, 0, 0    Picture: https://imgur.com/9DtEC1H
This one is one of the worst in this list. The pickup is inside the bathroom and 99% of the time criminals are unable to get to it because they are stuck inside the room with the ped. By moving the armor inside that room it will make it so criminals can buy armor without getting killed almost immediately by cops that run in and hide behind the shower.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: #Nathan on 16 05, 2020, 10:31:12 pm
This suggestion is totally fair! I don't understand why these armor pickups were placed so close to the AR entrances where you can easily get killed from the outside, I hope this was not made on purpose but by inattention instead. I'm supporting this as the current location of those armor pickups make them unusable as you risk yourself to be killed while frozen, so players prefer to go to other places and craft it with their resources, which is, of course, not the purpose of those armor pickups.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Hobart. on 17 05, 2020, 01:02:07 am
Interesting, I would like to mention that many officers in middle of fight rush to those armor pickup places to arrest criminals while they are frozen to get armor and also have to say so instead of buying armor you would be simply get killed by officers while trying to survive... A random cop would run towards you while having armor and drugs on and simply kill you fast while you are frozen and you would risk your robbery with this and simply get arrested without progress but with a wanted level. Supporting this because the new armor pickups point will be used more and players won't have to craft armor anymore, pointing out this would help newbies that don't have much ressources and this will make it easier for them and for other regular criminals as well
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: SaR on 17 05, 2020, 02:17:17 am
I was about you suggest this, because thats so simply clear. "we can't buy armor when cops already aiming at armor position from outside AR's. and not only that we freezed when we buy armor. seem so unfair and it's feel like buying armor = risk your life.

so am definitely supporting your suggestion  :tick: Positive.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: BlackBear on 18 05, 2020, 06:54:17 pm
I can't help laughing. look my man having another silly advantage like this on law side is just bad idea right now, lack of police attending ARs and CEs is just enough for police and now you want to prohibit us from killing some newbies who buy armors in the wrong time and as I said above it's just silly, picking armor in the right time is from skills and you want to remove what advantage a criminal to other, huh. IDK what happened to you to post this suggestion but look dying is an ordinary thing so don't mind yourself of thinking about skills and shit. Negative.
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sorry for my language but I love being frank and I don't mind being warned for this but leave the post, please.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Shattah on 18 05, 2020, 07:04:34 pm
I can't help laughing. look my man having another silly advantage like this on law side is just bad idea right now, lack of police attending ARs and CEs is just enough for police and now you want to prohibit us from killing some newbies who buy armors in the wrong time and as I said above it's just silly, picking armor in the right time is from skills and you want to remove what advantage a criminal to other, huh. IDK what happened to you to post this suggestion but look dying is an ordinary thing so don't mind yourself of thinking about skills and shit. Negative.
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sorry for my language but I love being frank and I don't mind being warned for this but leave the post, please.
You sound dumb and ignorant. I'm all about fairness and equality, why should cops be able to shoot us down in open spots while we're buying armor? I can understand if you guys rush in, but I feel like it's quite unfair being able to shoot down a criminal buying armor. And there's no such thing as having skills to pick armor at the right time. You're just being biased because you're on the law side.

I agree with this suggestion because some of the armor spots, more significantly I will mention this for Magneto's Villa has almost no use at times because once cops enter and are holding the front, crims can't get to the armor so it would make send to move it. Imo the ones at Iron Storage and LSA Storage are fine because cops can't really get to you unless they put themselves in vulnerable spots to kill you. But other than those, the rest need to change
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: TheGam3r23 on 18 05, 2020, 07:45:54 pm
I can't help laughing. look my man having another silly advantage like this on law side is just bad idea right now, lack of police attending ARs and CEs is just enough for police and now you want to prohibit us from killing some newbies who buy armors in the wrong time and as I said above it's just silly, picking armor in the right time is from skills and you want to remove what advantage a criminal to other, huh. IDK what happened to you to post this suggestion but look dying is an ordinary thing so don't mind yourself of thinking about skills and shit. Negative.
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sorry for my language but I love being frank and I don't mind being warned for this but leave the post, please.

How is making AR's balanced give the criminal side an advantage? Do you understand that the armor pickups are for the criminals, right? With the new, balanced armor pickups if you rush you can still kill people who mistimed their armor purchase, even though that isn't a skill. All this addition will do is make the two sides more equal. Your ignorant reply shows how biased you are against the criminal side just because you are a cop.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: BlackBear on 18 05, 2020, 08:31:03 pm
chill chill chill xd, why so mad calm down, I picked an argument suddenly and I'm really lazy to reply on you so appreciate what I wrote down.

first of all, I didn't expect to see barely-joining-CEs-and-ARs criminals talk like that but anyway I will explain what I wrote above:

-I was silly to talk with that language to you so I'm really really sorry and I'm ready to do anything to make you accept my apologies.

-the advantage that I talked about that is some armor pick points are obviously easy to attack whoever buys from it.

-the skills are a lot of things that someone has and others don't it's not just about your good aim or something like that, the skills are the thinking that u can read your enemy, what will they do? and what will u do against them? so using the wrong time to pick an armor will lead to your death when a cop attack suddenly and being honorable to not attack a someone who is frozen is just a neglected manner that no one has, okay?

-if u are talking about fairness so why u have that OP Stafford, I'm not talking about its resistance, I'm talking about its repairing not only that also that we don't have that gun or vehicle which can stop it, Mr.Fairness. although I'm not crying/mad about it, I just don't care if I got 1 or 2kills in CE or AR.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: TheGam3r23 on 18 05, 2020, 08:51:39 pm
first of all, I didn't expect to see barely-joining-CEs-and-ARs criminals talk like that but anyway I will explain what I wrote above:

Even players with 0 hours in-game are free to post suggestions that will make the server better. Additionally, you don't know me nor the other people in this topic so don't assume things.

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-the advantage that I talked about that is some armor pick points are obviously easy to attack whoever buys from it.

Hence this topic. Having the armor pickups in those specific AR's there give an advantage to the cop side whereas if they were on different locations AR's would be more balanced.

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-the skills are a lot of things that someone has and others don't it's not just about your good aim or something like that, the skills are the thinking that u can read your enemy, what will they do? and what will u do against them? so using the wrong time to pick an armor will lead to your death when a cop attack suddenly and being honorable to not attack a someone who is frozen is just a neglected manner that no one has, okay?

You will still be able to kill frozen criminals when you rush with your teammates just like you do on the rest of the AR's (the ones with proper armor placement).

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if u are talking about fairness so why u have that OP Stafford, I'm not talking about its resistance, I'm talking about its repairing not only that also that we don't have that gun or vehicle which can stop it, Mr.Fairness.

You are making no sense at all. What does the Stafford have to do with my suggestion? If you want the Stafford nerfed then make a topic yourself and suggest it.

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although I'm not crying/mad about it, I just don't care if I got 1 or 2kills in CE or AR.

Actually, what you are saying from these posts is that you don't want the CnR part of the server to be balanced, you want it heavily favored towards the cop side because you are one.


Please only reply if you want to add or correct something to my suggestion, do not reply to argue.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Nems on 18 05, 2020, 09:11:38 pm
Greetings, I would like to share my opinion about this,

Totally supporting the idea, the current pickup armor ain't that good tbh and pretty useless since it's so close to the armed robbery entrance so imo moving the armor pickup place would be more helpful/useful for criminals to avoid getting killed by cops while trying to buy armor
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: xaw on 18 05, 2020, 09:25:57 pm
you are totally right the armor pickup at the armed robbers u mentioned aren't even good u might get killed for crafting armor from it because there place aren't balanced changed it you the places you mentioned would be too much better and more balance to criminals who doing armed robbers so they don't get killed for crafting armor from it and I don't really think that would harm anyone i'm totally supporting this
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Holmes on 18 05, 2020, 10:16:31 pm
It would be really unnecessary.If they are re-located, only the criminals will be able to use it.So what are the cops gonna do ? We(cops) do craft using F9 when we can not get armor.You can do this.F9 is not only exclusive to the police, it's a panel that all players can use.All the positions you say are for criminals only and if they are moved to those positions, the equality between the 2 teams(criminals and cops) will be broken.Negative.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Stun on 18 05, 2020, 10:41:42 pm
I think it is a great idea every time I wanna report this but I forgot but finally someone do this nowadays cops ignoring CEs and foucs more in ARs as we all know most of the criminals  prefer   CEs to get more RP 1 kill = 1,700 RP so that is helpful to reach new lvls in criminal side but I avoid ARs because of this armor places you can as we know when you buy armor you will be frezed for 10 sec so if some one with minigun or sniper he can kill you so I think this idea is helpful I will give you my vote Positive good luck  :tick: .
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: TheGam3r23 on 19 05, 2020, 12:26:02 am
It would be really unnecessary.If they are re-located, only the criminals will be able to use it.So what are the cops gonna do ? We(cops) do craft using F9 when we can not get armor.You can do this.F9 is not only exclusive to the police, it's a panel that all players can use.All the positions you say are for criminals only and if they are moved to those positions, the equality between the 2 teams(criminals and cops) will be broken.Negative.

Don't you understand that the main purpose of these pickups is that so criminals can use them, not cops. Cops can get armor from other ways while criminals can either craft it or buy it from the pickup. Wake up cops this will make the gameplay much more fair, not give the criminal side a huge advantage that would destroy it. AR's will remain the same, it's just that criminals won't have to waste a bunch of resources when playing these specific heists.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: BlackBear on 19 05, 2020, 05:12:57 am
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Even players with 0 hours in-game are free to post suggestions that will make the server better. Additionally, you don't know me nor the other people in this topic so don't assume things.

Hence this topic. Having the armor pickups in those specific AR's there give an advantage to the cop side whereas if they were on different locations AR's would be more balanced.

You will still be able to kill frozen criminals when you rush with your teammates just like you do on the rest of the AR's (the ones with proper armor placement).

You are making no sense at all. What does the Stafford have to do with my suggestion? If you want the Stafford nerfed then make a topic yourself and suggest it.

Actually, what you are saying from these posts is that you don't want the CnR part of the server to be balanced, you want it heavily favored towards the cop side because you are one.


Please only reply if you want to add or correct something to my suggestion, do not reply to argue.

seems like u don't have something to say just repeating what u said above, anyway I don't mind giving u this advantage as I said above it's just silly and I'm totally wrong to argue on something like this, sorry again. this discussion board is just for discussing not argument. changing my vote to Natural.
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sorry for doing useless posts, I'm just ready to be punished for what I did.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: HosttyBoy on 21 05, 2020, 03:57:05 pm
Not enough support to be marked as Medium/High priority. It'll remain as neutral priority.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: TheCwN on 21 05, 2020, 05:35:46 pm
Greetings. First of all, there are both good sides and the bad sides of this suggestion. Well, if you ask me what this is, I'd like to explain it right away.


Good things:
Criminal players, as you have stated, will not be in the open area when buying armor so they won't be targets. That makes them advantageous to the cops.

Bad things:
The cops will have to shoot people who are constantly armored, they can attack them collectively from somewhere and kill everyone one by one. That way, criminal players will die quickly before they know what to do, and the cops will clear the armed robbery area.

I want to vote neutral. I wish you good luck.






Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: xaw on 21 05, 2020, 08:49:23 pm
So what are the cops gonna do ? We(cops) do craft using F9 when we can not get armor.You can do this.F9 is not only exclusive to the police
It's not our fault that you are a newbie to the game and you don't know that you can get armor with the same price of the armor pick-up from your 5k police car. I don't see what is the point from adding those pick-ups to open area or to place that cops can kill you easily, I see cops can respawn armor and get armor from a car that costs only 5K; let's make the gameplay fair and it will be balanced not just a useless thing or a place for newbies to die.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Dragon on 21 05, 2020, 08:58:52 pm
pff, like for real, all the negative votes from cops, why I must be in an open area to get an armor while you can easily buy it from your cars, spawn with it or even buy it from a Boxville.

These armor pickups were added due to criminals not being able to leave ARs to get an armor (talking about the ones that doesn't have iron) so they can at least get an armor to shoot other cops. xaw just said it, not our fault that you're fully ignoring car armors and coming here to cry when we do a suggestion like this.

You cops must NOT use these armor pickups, you already spawn with armor, free to go and buy an armor, or just buy an armor from your police vehicle.

positive anyway.

It would be really unnecessary.If they are re-located, only the criminals will be able to use it.So what are the cops gonna do ? We(cops) do craft using F9 when we can not get armor.You can do this.F9 is not only exclusive to the police,  laughing. look my man having another silly advantage like this on law side is just bad idea right now. My vote NEGATIVE
Also, requesting a warn on this guy please since he's copied half of Holmes' reply and half of BlackBear's reply.
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Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Ou$$aMa on 21 05, 2020, 10:19:14 pm
for me what you suggest is good even amazing if I look to it as a criminal but the thing this update will cuz lot of harm to other players if the armor pick up in ars removed from the open to safe hide place what other cops can do crim will start to shot two shots and buy armor I will do this my self if that happened its kinda abusing cops doesnt have armor pick ups so atleast let it in the current place negative
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Dragon on 21 05, 2020, 11:41:42 pm
for me what you suggest is good even amazing if I look to it as a criminal but the thing this update will cuz lot of harm to other players if the armor pick up in ars removed from the open to safe hide place what other cops can do crim will start to shot two shots and buy armor I will do this my self if that happened its kinda abusing cops doesnt have armor pick ups so atleast let it in the current place negative
what're you saying, criminals are not required to get out and kill cops, they must STAY INSIDE the AR for 3 minutes, how am I supposed to stay inside an AR while I must keep crafting an armor because the pickup is in an open area, like for real, if you cops want kills, you can rush, you're already cracking ARs aren't you ??
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Unity on 23 05, 2020, 02:36:56 pm
After reviewing your suggestion, we obtained the following results:

- 8 positive votes.
- 3 negative votes.
- 2 neutral votes.

The topic will remain as neutral priority.



It would be really unnecessary.If they are re-located, only the criminals will be able to use it.So what are the cops gonna do ? We(cops) do craft using F9 when we can not get armor.You can do this.F9 is not only exclusive to the police,  laughing. look my man having another silly advantage like this on law side is just bad idea right now. My vote NEGATIVE
Also, requesting a warn on this guy please since he's copied half of Holmes' reply and half of BlackBear's reply.
Confirming this @Rami, it's a clear plagiarism.

The copied parts:
It would be really unnecessary.If they are re-located, only the criminals will be able to use it.So what are the cops gonna do ? We(cops) do craft using F9 when we can not get armor.You can do this.F9 is not only exclusive to the police, it's a panel that all players can use.All the positions you say are for criminals only and if they are moved to those positions, the equality between the 2 teams(criminals and cops) will be broken.Negative.
I can't help laughing. look my man having another silly advantage like this on law side is just bad idea right now, lack of police attending ARs and CEs is just enough for police and now you want to prohibit us from killing some newbies who buy armors in the wrong time and as I said above it's just silly, picking armor in the right time is from skills and you want to remove what advantage a criminal to other, huh. IDK what happened to you to post this suggestion but look dying is an ordinary thing so don't mind yourself of thinking about skills and shit. Negative.
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sorry for my language but I love being frank and I don't mind being warned for this but leave the post, please.

He also did it at others suggestions
Leveling as a taxi driver is a bit hard with the high requirements of each level to pass, and I guess that's why the job is not active that much, I believe this suggestion would help players transport from one location to the other without being forced to purchase a vehicle. . Implementing this suggestion might revive the job and motivate more players to work as Taxi Drivers since it's going to be way much fun. My vote Positive
Leveling as a taxi driver is a bit hard with the high requirements of each level to pass, and I guess that's why the job is not active that much, I guess that would encourage the players to involve with this, in order to get more progress, I'm positive.
I believe this suggestion would help players transport from one location to the other without being forced to purchase a vehicle. Throughout the last period, it's been very hard to find a taxi or someone to pick you up. Implementing this suggestion might revive the job and motivate more players to work as Taxi Drivers since it's going to be way much fun.

I will search for more posts and handle this
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Unity on 31 05, 2020, 02:50:01 pm
Zero changes since we marked it as neutral priority
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Diamond on 27 08, 2020, 11:19:51 pm
Unlocked upon a request. Update it with screenshots to be detailed and provide the new armor position by using /getpos. Provide screenshots for all AR's you've mentioned. Good luck this time.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: TheGam3r23 on 27 08, 2020, 11:32:50 pm
Added the new coordinates along with the new screenshots of the exact locations and removed Ghost Town since Vampire fixed that AR already.

Tell me if I have missed an AR and I will check it out and add it to the original post. (If it is unbalanced)


Thank you, Diamond.
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Harshil on 28 08, 2020, 07:34:08 am
In my opinion, the placement of armor pickup in PDR and Iron storage is clearly in open space which needs to be changed but the other two seems quite fine for me. And for the cops telling that it will make it unfair for them all other ARs pickup are at very safe place where you would find difficult to actually reach there, so whats the problem here. And as everyone stated those pickups are for crims anf cops easily craft them all the cops car. Anyways I am voting Positive,
Title: Re: Moving the armor pickup in a few Armed Robberies
Post by: Vampire on 28 08, 2020, 05:03:34 pm
Moved DPD and LSA pickups to better places so you won't be insta killed when buying armor.
- IS is already in a good place, no point in moving it.
- MV is also in a good place as there's only one entrance, not going to move it to another location that will clearly give an unfair advantage.