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Ingame Community => News and Updates => Topic started by: Emre on 17 11, 2020, 11:19:50 am
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Reduce inconvenience.
Beneficial to new players.
Greetings, Dear Community,
Today I’m here with a simple solution for new players.
Problem:
As you know they always ask '' Where do I get a job? / How can I get employed? ''. Guides and other people who help them always response with this '' -/kill>1>Employement Office ''. New players don’t get this sometimes and asks it again and again. And as you know Crims and Law side players can't teleport to the Office when they die and press '' 1 ''.
My Solution:
A new command that can only be used by 0-20H players. The command is simple ‘’ -/getjob ‘’. After they use this command they will automatically get teleported to the Employment Office in SF. This command is easier to teach a new player than kill and warp. And stated above new players who are in law and crim side can't teleport when they die.
Rules:
- You can’t use this command when you get hurt in the last 10 30 seconds.
- You can’t use this in a car or while wanted.
- Only players who are under 20H can use this.
I know some people will say this is useless but as a guide myself, I experienced the problem I mentioned above many times and I had to go pick them up and show them by myself. This doesn't have any harmful side or unfair side. Just a simple command to help new players.
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My vote is positive. There are lot's of new players who don't understand how CIT works and they don't understand the '' 1 '' button either. Adding such a command can save the time of guides and other people and help new players reach jobs more easily. Positive :tick:
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I like how your idea is simplified and helpful.I always notice that newcomers doesn't understand how they can reach the employment office in SF in order to get job and also this command will make it easier for Guiders to explain it's like a shortcut. Positive :tick:
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As a guide myself I really spend %20 of the time explaining how to get a job easily which is pretty easy but new players can't get it since only CIT has something like that. But with this new command they can get any job easily even if they are a crim or law at that moment. My vote is positive :tick:
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First of all my vote is positive.
+ In TR chat we got 6 guides and all of them struggles when a new player don't understand '' 1 '' interface. And explain it again and again.
+ With this command they can easily reach new jobs anywhere and anytime without any abuse.
+ The command is very easy they can remember this very easily.
Positive :tick:
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Hi Emre.
I noticed the same too, new comers sometimes they don't get how to teleport fast, Especially when you explain them to do "/kill" and pick Employee office to spawn there. Sometimes newbies won't get it it hard to them. So this feature will help them a lot. To get job easier, And this will benefit them a knowledge about where is the employee office even in the future if they passed 20 hours of playtime. I am pretty sure they will move to employee office even with their car if they still can't get how to teleport there. So yeah. I am supporting this since it will benefit to the new comers and help them. Positive.
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Just Positive for following reasons:
- New players really need a faster and easier command than '' 1 '' interface.
- New people don't understand since they think people are trolling them after seeing -/kill.
- New command is way easier to remember than 1 interface.
- And anything that can help new players is a must add.
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My vote is positive as Mary stated above we got 6 and 2 staff at total 8 guides but we generally struggle when a new player don't get how to use '' 1 '' . Ofcourse 1 is more usefull than this but this is easier and they can remember this command easily since it is very simple. get + job. My vote is positive.:tick:
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It is hard to give negative. As a player who tries to help newbies when bump on street. I see this as a very usefull command. They can't abuse this if the rules given above gets added properly. My vote is Positive and this can help the new players easier than the ''1'' interface. Positive :tick:
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-/getjob ‘’. After they use this command they will automatically get teleported to the Employment Office in SF.
/getpos to get the coordinates from Employment Office and add it to the topic to make it easier. @Emre
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Its a useful command that will help tons of newbies in the server. Theres only one thing tho, how about making it "You cant use /getjob if you are hurt in the last 30 seconds" instead of 10, because some people always think how to abuse their way in a server. But, upvoting since its going to help.
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As a guide I can confirm that most newbies that I warp to always ask that first thing like "how can I get a job" or "where can I get employed" sometimes its confusing for them to do /kill and press 1 and click on "Employment Office" so in my POV, adding this command will be much easier for them to understand. Positive
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Actually it is true, when newbies just join CIT, they ask for a job. And we tell them a hard way(hard for them). And many times they don't get it. We should have this system for newbies. Positive
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/getpos to get the coordinates from Employment Office and add it to the topic to make it easier. @Emre
Added.
Its a useful command that will help tons of newbies in the server. Theres only one thing tho, how about making it "You cant use /getjob if you are hurt in the last 30 seconds" instead of 10, because some people always think how to abuse their way in a server. But, upvoting since its going to help.
30 secs is a fair deal. Changed it
Thanks for all upvotes everyone.
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I've explained this lot of new people that comes in LS Market how to get a job But they dont get it and I have to tell him repeately in the end that their finally understand how to get a job after long time they get it but for better case we have to agree to this suggestion, POSITIVE.
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Well, Lots of newbie have this problem and If this command added, it would be beneficial for newbies. Moreover they don't get kill score thanks to this way and they can try all job easily. It is harmless so my vote is positive.
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The thing is, making everything oversimplified for the newbies will make them disappointed and upset whenever they get above 20hours and when they see they cannot use the same thing and they don't have the same comfort as they did, there's a chance for them to get demotivated from the whole CnR and quit it. Every newbie should learn things by asking and get himself used to the community that's why we have support cht and that's why too many senior players are wasting their time answering in support and that's why we've guiders as not all the players can speak English. That's enough for a newbie, giving more advantages to them will make them demotivated from the community whenever they pass the limit of being able to use a feature which is only for newbies. Every newbie should get use to the CnR and how it works. We shouldn't baby them. If someone fails to understand one of the very basic things then he has many ways to figure it out which I stated above and below
/sup
/helpme
F1 menu (which answers 95% of the questions)
I'm more than 100% sure these give the newbie more than enough explanations of how to get a job.
Locked.
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The thing is, making everything oversimplified for the newbies will make them disappointed and upset whenever they get above 20hours and when they see they cannot use the same thing and they don't have the same comfort as they did, there's a chance for them to get demotivated from the whole CnR and quit it. Every newbie should learn things by asking and get himself used to the community that's why we have support cht and that's why too many senior players are wasting their time answering in support and that's why we've guiders as not all the players can speak English. That's enough for a newbie, giving more advantages to them will make them demotivated from the community whenever they pass the limit of being able to use a feature which is only for newbies. Every newbie should get use to the CnR and how it works. We shouldn't baby them. If someone fails to understand one of the very basic things then he has many ways to figure it out which I stated above and below
/sup
/helpme
F1 menu (which answers 95% of the questions)
I'm more than 100% sure these give the newbie more than enough explanations of how to get a job.
Locked.
Where does it say that as board moderator you can lock any suggestion based on your sole opinion?
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Where does it say that as board moderator you can lock any suggestion based on your sole opinion?
Apparently this suggestion looks helpful but in fact if someone fails to understand the very basic task despite of having the features (helpme, sup and F1 menu) then there's a little chance of him figuring out that in the first place there's a command called /gojob then even if a newbie understand the existence of this command as long as he wont be able to use it whenever he hits 20 hours at this point he will have a feeling of discomfort which doesn't really do much good to his motivation that can be considered as only one of the harms of this suggestion as I already mentioned newbies should get used to the community and put effort to learn. Learning requires effort. Not to mention this suggestion also revokes the opportunity from the newbie to keep searching and finding new stuff which improves the laziness of the newbies. Thousands of players have played on this server so far and each of us had our own ways of finding out the interesting points. Which will overall improve the laziness all over the community. This suggestions looks too trivial and unnecessary despite of having some negative points for the future. That's your server, if you want to add something you've the freedom to add anything you want and I don't interfere. But if I see that a suggestion is likely to cause harm or way too trivial I will state my points and if needed I will lock it. It doesn't have to say anywhere, that's what it has been since years. Suggestions are likely to get locked if they will be the causes of the future problems or will directly aim some of the excitements of the server or way too trivial.
That's not the end, if the creator of the suggestion wants it unlocked then he has the freedom to SMS any moderators there'll be a discussion among us and whenever we came to a conclusion the suggestion will be unlocked + to monitor the process, ex-DS moderators and the staffs will be involved.
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In fact, I think this suggestion may make many new players like CIT more. Because new players usually do not read the tutorial and take their steps into the open world unconsciously. In general, when we look at new players, we can see that almost all of them have no purpose. Most of the time you have come across the "Crazy MP5s". The pointless shooting at you is due to such lack of knowledge. It is not harmful to have them find a purpose the easier way. Even if he does not read the tutorial, it is enough to know that there is a "task" concept in the game using this command. I can guess you asked how to learn this command who does not read the tutorial. It is very simple, directing people to a profession with flash messages will also eliminate this problem. So I'm totally Positive Good luck !
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there's a little chance of him figuring out that in the first place there's a command called /gojob then even if a newbie understand the existence of this command as long as he wont be able to use it whenever he hits 20 hours at this point he will have a feeling of discomfort which doesn't really do much good to his motivation that can be considered
The command could appear on his screen until he figures out and/or be included in the server tutorial so he will know that it will expire once he reaches 20h, same as VIP (I think it's mentioned somewhere). As you said yourself, he can use /helpme and Guides can instruct him to use that command too if he wants to get a job and also mention the limit.
If it's something that will improve new players' experience, then why not.
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The thing is, making everything oversimplified for the newbies will make them disappointed and upset whenever they get above 20hours and when they see they cannot use the same thing and they don't have the same comfort as they did, there's a chance for them to get demotivated from the whole CnR and quit it. Every newbie should learn things by asking and get himself used to the community that's why we have support cht and that's why too many senior players are wasting their time answering in support and that's why we've guiders as not all the players can speak English. That's enough for a newbie, giving more advantages to them will make them demotivated from the community whenever they pass the limit of being able to use a feature which is only for newbies. Every newbie should get use to the CnR and how it works. We shouldn't baby them. If someone fails to understand one of the very basic things then he has many ways to figure it out which I stated above and below
/sup
/helpme
F1 menu (which answers 95% of the questions)
I'm more than 100% sure these give the newbie more than enough explanations of how to get a job.
Locked.
No offence but new players already how some op powers. They have free drugs and free DL in their first 20 hours. If the guides help them by saying '' You can only use this command in your first 20H.'' There won't be anything that would cause them to leave CIT and in fact making CIT easy when they begin would make them more connected. I nearly left CIT cause of the lack of helps I got when I started.
Apparently this suggestion looks helpful but in fact if someone fails to understand the very basic task despite of having the features (helpme, sup and F1 menu) then there's a little chance of him figuring out that in the first place there's a command called /gojob then even if a newbie understand the existence of this command as long as he wont be able to use it whenever he hits 20 hours at this point he will have a feeling of discomfort which doesn't really do much good to his motivation that can be considered as only one of the harms of this suggestion as I already mentioned newbies should get used to the community and put effort to learn. Learning requires effort. Not to mention this suggestion also revokes the opportunity from the newbie to keep searching and finding new stuff which improves the laziness of the newbies. Thousands of players have played on this server so far and each of us had our own ways of finding out the interesting points. Which will overall improve the laziness all over the community. This suggestions looks too trivial and unnecessary despite of having some negative points for the future. That's your server, if you want to add something you've the freedom to add anything you want and I don't interfere. But if I see that a suggestion is likely to cause harm or way too trivial I will state my points and if needed I will lock it. It doesn't have to say anywhere, that's what it has been since years. Suggestions are likely to get locked if they will be the causes of the future problems or will directly aim some of the excitements of the server or way too trivial.
That's not the end, if the creator of the suggestion wants it unlocked then he has the freedom to SMS any moderators there'll be a discussion among us and whenever we came to a conclusion the suggestion will be unlocked + to monitor the process, ex-DS moderators and the staffs will be involved.
You got some points which I really agree. But we got a chance to make CIT better and easier not like you and other players had back in the day. CIT need more fresh blood coming in everyday and we need to keep them as much as we need them to come. They will not be using this command 7/24 in their first 20H they will just use this for 4-5 times and they will forget it since they will get used to the server.
Note: -/sup chat is useless for new players. Since they can't even search a thing in F1 and try to ask it in country chat and use team chat instead.
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Anything that can help new players needs to be added. My vote is Positive. Most of the people already voted positive which is very good to see, I mean the attention they pay for the new players. New players can't even talk properly in their country chat so don't expect them to search stuff in F1. This will only help new players and will not cause harm.
Positive :tick:
Note: New players has DL3 afaik and they can use -/rt but they don't know it.
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In fact, it is good for the new players and this will also benefit them and it will reduce our annoyance and inconvenience because they also annoy many players because they take a long time to understand the jobs and so we will solve the issue of time by telling them to move to it directly and know how to use it positive
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I, as a normal player without being a guide, try to help players with less than 20 hours. Sometimes the language make this almost imposible, is hard to explain all the steps to reach jobs area. This command will do the first hours in game a lot easier for those new ones. The points are well described upon my vote. POSITIVE
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I'm Positive, because I bet that alot of new players left CIT from the past because they don't understand how CIT systems work, like how to get a job or how to teleport, so adding this command is gonna help them to teleport and get the job easily.
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they sometimes have trouble using / kill pressing the "1" button to get them to teleport to the Employement Office
in addition new to command / getjob, which is quite helpful and will easily help them and transition to the Active Emploment Office Positive
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I've experienced this a lot while being guider a few months ago, many newbies sending tickets asking how to get X job I have to tell them open gps and type the name of the jobs etc.. so in country chat many newbies asking how to work as X job some say '/kill and 1' which is a new player doesn't know how it works or it's difficult for him to understand the situation, such a small command like this won't harm anyone but will be beneficial for the new players and they'll like it with no doubts the restrictions emre mentioned seems good and the command won't be abused so let's give it a shot with a Positive vote.
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- If a new player is asking something like "where to get a job?" you can tell them to use '/jobs' to be warped to SF employment office. (Arran + Emre)