This is what happens when I dont delete your "usual" quotes. Just check topic and notice how it has full of negativity, hate and toxic posts (except some funny ones. Respect to you). You only spreat anger against PAM and Staff team. I feel so sorry that you've failed in life.
gangsters have to work to afford their daily gameplay in LV.
Second, I agree the update hasn't caused less spam in grenades, but I am sure returning it will cause explosives to be more common, more spammed.
Third, I was there when grenades used to cost 2,000$. But as payments increased, this update hasn't caused any change into our gameplay.
I believe this will increase the amount of spam, we need to find a solution to this as I see some players don't enjoy this spam.for now, if this is what LV players want, then yeah I guess I have no problem with decreasing it.
Except you don't earn shit from turfing anymore, the maximum turfing earning is 40k per 3 minutes, it used to be 80k per 3 minutes. Usually we don't earn any money from turfing because all our money gets wasted on ammunition. You are a civilian so you don't have to buy drugs, armor, ammunition, explosives, etc. You don't know how much money we lose, it's very hard to be able to buy these explosives.
- First you agree that it didn't cause less spam- Then you say returning it will cause more spamHow will it cause more spam, if the spam didn't even change? Are you listening to your own contradicting statement?
fourth, and just as you mentioned, it's already being spammed but not afforded by the minority. I am not positive with making it even more common.
1 - Having grenades set to $3000 didn't cause less grenade spam, so having it returned to $2000 will be the same. It will just allow everyone to use it, not just rich players.
Lmao, there are actually changes to the gameplay. We have an earn limit of 360k, we have a new cap of 40k per 3 minutes from turfing, and we earn less money from turfing because there are less players. We keep losing money, these explosives are too expensive. You are a civilian so you are not knowledged about the situation at all.
1 - Having grenades set to $3000 didn't cause less grenade spam, so having it returned to $2000 will be the same. It will just allow everyone to use it, not just rich players.2 - If players don't enjoy spam, then why don't they vote for the grenade delay in /pr? Because LV'ers like this spam.3 - Yeah they want it, I clearly posted two screenshots of teamvotes, with 80-84% positive votes.
I have been doing this back in time.
let me remind you of something
you can't base such updates by players' choice... I can open a voting if they would like a giveaway from the server of DL3 weekly, who would refuse? Players would obviously agree on anything that makes the gameplay easier, but not being aware of, that it may ruin the server.
It's not a P2W, it's a rp game.
It wasn't supposed to be a battle royal where you get your stuff during the battle.
Which is, not in all updates, players' choice is the right one. As they would every time go for an easier gameplay, and that's good, but not when it may ruin it for others.
If all LV players agree on this, then go ahead. You get the gameplay you enjoy
LV community support:
Full explanation of the suggestion:I'm suggesting to decrease the price of grenades/satchels back to $2000, they are currently $3000 per unit. The current $3000 per unit was suggested by Quartz in an 'effort' to decrease grenade spam in LV. We've now been playing with this update for over a year and clearly there has been no significant decrease in grenade spam. If anything, it has now only been harder for poorer players to fight, so it basically became more P2W which is something we should definitely avoid heading towards.Tuesday 10th April 2018- Increased price of grenades and satchels from $2000 to $3000. (Arran + Quartz)The main thing we usually hear is 'then stop wasting money on grenades' not understanding that grenades spam have been happening since 2013 even before the instant switching binds and even still after the instant switching binds got removed recently, so this will not stop as this has become a casualty and completely fits with the standard of LV which is 'quality over quantity' where numbers shouldn't dictate who wins, rather skills. In case someone says grenades don't require skills, yeah you're wrong, I've seen plenty of LS'ers spamming grenades in LV Hospital and gaining zero kills. I've a video on my youtube channel as well in case necessary to prove and could upload more videos.Brief explanation of the suggestion (in case TL;DR):- Decrease the price of grenades/satchels back to $2000The reasons as to why it should be decreased:- There is an earnlimit of 360k per hour and the maximum we can earn now from turfs is 40k per 3 minutes, compared to the 80k per 3 minutes in the past. Therefore it's harder to earn money, thus having these explosives at $3000 is too expensive.- The price was set to $3000 to prevent grenades spam, but that didn't happen, so that should already be enough to be reverted as it clearly didn't do as what was being suggested. LV players just love to use explosives, after all it's a chaotic city.- By making an essential weapon so expensive, it's promoting a P2W playstyle which is not what we should be heading towards. Now rich players have a bigger advantage, it shouldn't be like that.- The $3000 was suggested at the time when there was no explosive resistance, now, there is a /pr for 50% explosive resistance. Causing the explosives to do 30 damage after all resistances are being used. A weapon that does such low damage shouldn't be this expensive, ever. Honestly, the explosive resistance has done more efforts towards 'fixing grenades spam' than the $3000 price tag itself, considering it's not even worth it to buy explosives when having such high explosive resistance.LV community support:
Force yourself, and you will be suprised what you can do.
Explosives are already spammed enough, indicating no problems with money earning, as you've claimed above.
- The price was set to $3000 to prevent grenades spam, but that didn't happen, so that should already be enough to be reverted as it clearly didn't do as what was being suggested. LV players just love to use explosives, after all it's a chaotic city.- By making an essential weapon so expensive, it's promoting a P2W playstyle which is not what we should be heading towards. Now rich players have a bigger advantage, it shouldn't be like that.
Additionaly, the current competetive scene of LV is not intense.
Therefore, capturing turfs, even whole LV, is something we experience many times, daily. So based on these factors, it's obvious that the price shouldn't be reduced.
This guy has never heard of donating before. And:Councillors are added to add what the community wants, but then they oppose what the community asks for, the funniest part is that it's from a civilian with clearly lack of LV knowledge. I'm sure a KLM member can decide that. What nonsense are you talking about?