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Title: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 03 08, 2021, 03:41:50 pm
Well, the main point of the suggestion is to remove the LV preferences and stick with specific options.
Why was the preference system added?
The preference system was added to avoid monthly suggestions, as some players would for example suggest disabling the sea sparrow, and then one month later, others would suggest enabling it again.
Why do we want to remove the preference system?
As LV is currently splitting into two sides, the first side has for example 30 players online and the second side has 25 players online which means they're controlling the gameplay of the side with a lower quantity which in return gives them advantages like enabling sea sparrow or RPG spamming, even if classic LV has been enabled.
Therefore I'm here to suggest removing LV preference and we will stick with:
Show content
Explosive Resistance: No
Classic / Old LV: No
Drop Grenade When Running: Yes
200 Max Health: Yes
Sea Sparrow Shooting: No
Sniper Instant Shoot: Yes
Buy RPG Command: Yes
Switch When Throwing Exploit: Yes
Extra Game Speed: Yes
Switch When Shooting: Yes
Projectile Cool Down: No

EDIT:
How a group can take advantage of that system?
Okay, we have a live example right now and that's the MAIN reason why I chose to make this suggestion.
we have ChaosGuardians as an example they decided to come to play in LV so they changed OUR Gameplay so they can play it alone and take LV
[LV] Classic / Old LV: Yes (Yes: 19 No: 14)
what stability u guys talking about if any group of people can change the gameplay the mechanics and everything okay now LV is unplayable because of that preferences system I like the fact most of the people who voted negative aren't LV players and didn't face this issue before.
(https://i.imgur.com/jcHR5Qz.png)
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: 9R on 03 08, 2021, 03:46:56 pm
the only time I enjoy LV when Explosive Resistance is on so no thanks, At least with the voting system we can play from time to time.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: HosttyBoy on 03 08, 2021, 04:00:41 pm
Some months ago there was a rule that you couldn't suggest removing preferences, you could even get a warning. The rule has been removed by administrator when the rules were simplified. There's a blacklisted topic with "Nerfing a feature which is associated with a specific preference and can be disabled by players' votes is prohibited." I am not really sure that it applies to this one. So it remains opened as there's no objection.

Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Coke on 03 08, 2021, 04:04:33 pm
This would make another chaos and repeating the shit again. It is better to stop talking about this. But if you really have something against this you should make one topic for every preferences.

Negative.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 03 08, 2021, 04:10:41 pm
This would make another chaos and repeating the shit again. It is better to stop talking about this. But if you really have something against this you should make one topic for every preferences.

Negative.
What do you mean another chaos while we're having currently 51 players in LV 39 in 1 single side and the other side having 11 players only
so the side with 39 players can control the whole gameplay of LV by making it classic LV so it cannot be playable for the 11 players or by enabling RPG spam.
[INSIDE LV]
SIDE A
27 players from Vancouver
8 players from HoBoS
2 players from Oldgang
2 players from Vexatious
SIDE B
8 players from acid rain
3 players from xCode

We must choose how we will play
Negative
I'm not the one who choose that preferences to stick with
most of the time that preferences are chosen
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: BoSs on 03 08, 2021, 04:13:50 pm
I accept the fact preference were added to avoid spamming suggestion board about enabling and disabling but now LV is different because we're having only 2 sides so the side with more online gets higher advantage with it so that's why this suggestion is needed to be more fair and without giving advantages to the side with higher quantity. Upvote
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Coke on 03 08, 2021, 04:19:25 pm
What do you mean another chaos while we're having currently 51 players in LV 37 in 1 single side and the other side having 14 players only
so the side with 37 players can control the whole gameplay of LV by making it classic LV so it cannot be playable for the 14 players or by enabling RPG spam.
You know the history about how we can treat LV players? You guys are so special even you have many preferences. If we disable this shit again in the next week another player from LV will make another suggestion to make a preferences. As I said we are bored about your problems while another side make some improvements you guys always asking for reverting and upgrading. So, here we go again! The cyclus never end.

Just like this image.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHL94lgElM5idh_hoMp8GbyygUseYfoHYitw&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 03 08, 2021, 04:21:41 pm
You know the history about how we can treat LV players? You guys are so special even you have many preferences. If we disable this shit again in the next week another player from LV will make another suggestion to make a preferences. As I said we are bored about your problems while another side make some improvements you guys always asking for reverting and upgrading. So, here we go again! The cyclus never end.

Just like this image.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQHL94lgElM5idh_hoMp8GbyygUseYfoHYitw&usqp=CAU)
let's wait for the votes and it gonna decide what's gonna happen if most of the LV players supported this idea if the lower percentage like 10% who doesn't support it made 1000 suggestions it won't be even supported or accepted.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Metehan on 03 08, 2021, 04:35:24 pm
It doesn't mean people are voting for what their group leaders want. I'm just voting for how I want to play if my group leader wants to play in another style he is free to vote what he wants.
Instead of removing the preference system stop forcing people to vote for what guys want
 I'm negative
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 03 08, 2021, 06:33:21 pm
I'm positive for every suggestion which has removing any preference mentioned in it. I've explained the reasons very well in my previous suggestions and posts of why they affect the server negatively and stagnate server's development. There is no such thing in ANY game for players to change important gameplay mechanics in an instant, designing and managing gameplay requires reasons and explanations of how it'll improve gameplay or add something new to it. There is no such thing in game development to listen and rely only on what majority of players prefer, updates and balance changes require solid proofs and reasons to back it up.

What's so bad in updating LV every month or so? If there are updates and changes in every other aspect of the game, why it's so controversial to change some bits in LV from time to time? Take any game, for example League of Legends, characters and items get nerfed, buffed, changed or removed on every patch, usually every month and it's the reason the game is still not dead for a decade already.

LV additions, changes and balance issues all need to be discussed like everything else in the community, being stuck with the same players for 3 or 4 years haven't had much of a positive impact on the server and it's clearly noticeable.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: swe on 03 08, 2021, 08:46:14 pm
Yes, something like this is really needed, I've been wanting it for a long time,so my vote is positive :tick:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: WeL3a on 03 08, 2021, 08:58:14 pm
what is the point of having un-stable gameplay and whatever the higher quantity choose the game keep changing or the speed become slower we need to have a stable game. upvote
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Sleuth on 03 08, 2021, 10:02:30 pm
I agree with this. providing fairness and suitable game play for people who demand it is a must. the atmosphere in LV should be made of the things that are appealing to the majority of actual LV Enjoyers. if the majority controls everything for their own gain, there would be no competition in the field, and that wouldn't be of any good to the city's purpose in the long run.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Western on 04 08, 2021, 01:13:40 am
Changes like rapid rpg spams or old and classic LV which can be used by an entire group or a majority of players is pretty disturbing to basically.. everybody? Despite all of that, the majority agrees either way within the discussion server as this is their city. Thus, I am in support of this suggestion.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: MaThew~Zika on 04 08, 2021, 02:08:17 am
I dont agree about the LV preference "extra game speed"  thing so i'm going to stay neutral about the whole suggestion. if u consider changing the speed to default one.  :azn:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: OhhKarim on 04 08, 2021, 12:14:21 pm
No idea why there's even such a broken preference regarding the removal of the RPG limit, I was one of the most active LV players during 2015-2018 but when I came back for some fun and decided to enter a turf war all I saw was 5 people literally spam RPGs at me without any limit whatsoever, I immediately closed the game. Like legit, who thinks this is a normal feature? It shouldn't even be in the game. Regarding some other preferences, the reason LV became the famously called "chaotic city" is due to those special features that we do not have in LS, such as the extra game speed, fast switching binds, grenades spam, etc. So it makes no sense to remove/nerf those aspects of the game in LV, and if you wanna use the sea sparrow, just go to LS where it belongs. Lastly, the "drop grenade while sprinting" just added more chaos and honestly changed tactics a bit so that was the only refreshing idea for LV, I have no issue with it being in the game.

I'm upvoting this suggestion because I definitely agree with your opinion, it's what I've been preaching for many years and I'll stick to my opinion.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Flush on 04 08, 2021, 01:49:02 pm
In my own opinion ,I believe you were right in everything you said.
The personal preference is a broken system that allows the "cracks"  to control LV,and everything in it. they always get the upper hand and ruin the LV fun. The suggestion you made and the preferences you suggested we stick with are very reasonable and guarantee the fun and fair play for everyone. I totally agree with GoldNugget,what's bad in updating the LV mechanics every month or so,instead of changing the whole gameplay every few hours??
In conclusion,i totally support this idea and agree with you.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 05 08, 2021, 12:32:54 am
Okay, we have a live example right now and that's the MAIN reason why I chose to make this suggestion.
we have ChaosGuardians as an example they decided to come to play in LV so they changed OUR Gameplay so they can play it alone and take LV
[LV] Classic / Old LV: Yes (Yes: 19 No: 14)
what stability u guys talking about if any group of people can change the gameplay the mechanics and everything okay now LV is unplayable because of that preferences system I like the fact most of the people who voted negative aren't LV players and didn't face this issue before.
(https://i.imgur.com/jcHR5Qz.png)

EDIT:
AHAHA that's why some LV clowns tried to disable LS turfs so they could ruin our LV x LS (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872775242773331990/872795721361915904/mta-screen_2021-08-05_01-51-26.png) takeover you hypocrite, and if that's the case so, then LV players shouldn't be able to vote about any shit in LS, and btw we were 32 on.
here is real proof of how someone can gather 32 people to change the gameplay of a whole city the speed and change everything a real live proof of how that system should be removed.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: MaThew~Zika on 05 08, 2021, 12:43:05 am
Okay, we have a live example right now and that's the MAIN reason why I chose to make this suggestion.
we have ChaosGuardians as an example they decided to come to play in LV so they changed OUR Gameplay so they can play it alone and take LV
[LV] Classic / Old LV: Yes (Yes: 19 No: 14)
what stability u guys talking about if any group of people can change the gameplay the mechanics and everything okay now LV is unplayable because of that preferences system I like the fact most of the people who voted negative aren't LV players and didn't face this issue before.
(https://i.imgur.com/jcHR5Qz.png)
i consider changing it to positive, then.  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: bossx on 05 08, 2021, 12:44:11 am
I agree with all that’s been said above and the permanent preferences. It will provide a better gameplay for most users as they won’t have to experience rapid changes every 10 minutes when a side wants to pick something to their advantage. Positive.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Mitrok on 05 08, 2021, 12:49:45 am
The preference purpose is to make the game play more fun and to have a different ways depending on player's needs. Well, some of the LV players does want to play with the fast game play and some doesn't. That is why LV preferences always changes. But I do believe that we need to remove its preferences just because it is one of the few reasons LV became a ghost town. I'm voting positive to bring back some balance for other players since WHO dominates LV will be the one's controlling the game play. So  :thumb:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Violet on 05 08, 2021, 01:00:09 am
Completely agreed with all the preferences as all of us within the discussion server agree on most of it, both sides just so people don’t think it’s a 1 sided suggestion. Voting positive
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: RQ on 05 08, 2021, 01:11:21 am
I agree that we should remove the LV preferences and keep it the way you described. Because like daddy showed in his screenshot, people from LS can come to LV and change the game to make it be almost identical to LS which only benefits the LS players, not real LV players. This is a complete abuse of the feature that was actually created for LV players so I support your suggestion.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: #AsTa on 05 08, 2021, 05:29:00 am
With the way things are, the side with the most players will almost always have the advantage as they can change the preferences they want it to. Thus, LV should have a permanent preference, this way the players will not be restricted by some rules and enjoy the environment of the game the their content.

I vote Positive for this suggestion.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Nayeek1 on 05 08, 2021, 07:53:31 am
I think LV is now really really great, we can vote and do whatever we want, and its fair play nowadays foreal, voting NO  :cros: :cros: :cros:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: yendeR on 05 08, 2021, 04:36:46 pm
I hate the overpowered preference of the rpg without firing limit, it should not even be a preference. Also LV is unique because of the fast speed and fast binds so we should not have an preference to remove this from LV, otherwise LV will look like LS 2.0 so my vote is positive
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: daph on 05 08, 2021, 04:50:10 pm
both outnumbered side and small side would like those preferences mostly so its way better than that one group of people control lv to whatever they want to disable other players in playing. positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Myth. on 05 08, 2021, 05:02:59 pm
Voting is one of the good features that we can get, everyone will vote for what they want and the more votes the more quality and it looks totally fair.
-Negative :cros:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: WooDy on 05 08, 2021, 06:05:02 pm
Players have the right to play in any style they want without being forced to play in a specific style. I'm voting negative.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: mefo on 05 08, 2021, 09:13:36 pm
People shouldn't be forced to play in the way cracks want. LV must be in the way it has always been without things that are foreign, with stuff that we all play with like nades and binds all day. upvote
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: IceWolf. on 05 08, 2021, 10:30:41 pm
Yeah that will shutdown"winning by cracking"
Positive
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Antiquity on 05 08, 2021, 10:35:08 pm
Positive. the current preferences system is so un-stable because gameplay changes frequently every now and then and as you know LV players can only play in one way and that's grenades and binds. if people want to play in normal speed with no grenades they should just turf in LS.
LV is always meant to be that way

Players have the right to play in any style they want without being forced to play in a specific style. I'm voting negative.
What about the other players? those who don't have the number to actually make a change and enjoy fighting cracks, screw them right?
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: zoldyck on 05 08, 2021, 10:55:43 pm
Okay, we have a live example right now and that's the MAIN reason why I chose to make this suggestion.
we have ChaosGuardians as an example they decided to come to play in LV so they changed OUR Gameplay so they can play it alone and take LV
[LV] Classic / Old LV: Yes (Yes: 19 No: 14)
what stability u guys talking about if any group of people can change the gameplay the mechanics and everything okay now LV is unplayable because of that preferences system I like the fact most of the people who voted negative aren't LV players and didn't face this issue before.
(https://i.imgur.com/jcHR5Qz.png)

AHAHA that's why some LV clowns tried to disable LS turfs so they could ruin our LV x LS (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/872775242773331990/872795721361915904/mta-screen_2021-08-05_01-51-26.png) takeover you hypocrite, and if that's the case so, then LV players shouldn't be able to vote about any shit in LS, and btw we were 32 on.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: seba on 06 08, 2021, 02:01:15 am
I'm upvoting on this.

Daddy has explained it perfectly

Okay, we have a live example right now and that's the MAIN reason why I chose to make this suggestion.
we have ChaosGuardians as an example they decided to come to play in LV so they changed OUR Gameplay so they can play it alone and take LV
[LV] Classic / Old LV: Yes (Yes: 19 No: 14)
what stability u guys talking about if any group of people can change the gameplay the mechanics and everything okay now LV is unplayable because of that preferences system I like the fact most of the people who voted negative aren't LV players and didn't face this issue before.
(https://i.imgur.com/jcHR5Qz.png)

EDIT:here is real proof of how someone can gather 32 people to change the gameplay of a whole city the speed and change everything a real live proof of how that system should be removed.

This feature is useless since the crack side/group can change the gameplay easily
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Babushka on 06 08, 2021, 04:21:17 am
I am not an LV player so my opinion is unbiased, although there could be some mistakes so I beg your pardon for that.

Daddy has already stated how certain groups can "Control" the gameplay of LV because of their "Overpowered" number of online members. There are some features like Dropping grenades while running, etc which feel weird as a non-LV player but the LV groups have mastered those features and use their high numbers of online players to give themselves some advantage. Again, I am not an expert on this topic but that's how I think. I am voting Positive  :tick: Good luck with the other votes

Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: VAPER on 06 08, 2021, 01:59:52 pm
LV exists for people who want hardcore playstyle with many survival abilities so we dont want people to annoy us in our city with those useless preference full of abuse.
My vote is Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: xaw on 06 08, 2021, 02:01:53 pm
LS speed and style should stay in LS not in LV. here it always been about explosives and nades, not minigun and other shit that doesnt belong in LV to ruin gameplay. positive
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Mr.Sultan on 06 08, 2021, 02:03:22 pm
I personally don't enjoy the instability of LV's gameplay, we should keep it one way or another to prevent constant need for adaptation. so I agree with this suggestion because it's similar to LV from 2016.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 06 08, 2021, 02:59:52 pm
Voting is one of the good features that we can get, everyone will vote for what they want and the more votes the more quality and it looks totally fair.
-Negative :cros:
we're talking about voting in LV and I can see from your player statics you have 2402 hours (https://i.imgur.com/J57JNc4.png) while you have 0 playtime in LV (https://i.imgur.com/TzYzeEe.png) and low LV stats  (https://i.imgur.com/oMaPWLH.png) which means you're not playing in LV all the time so you never faced this issue maybe you're visiting LV once a month
since April you just played 14 hours so I guess u never faced this issue in LV before so I don't know you're just voting about what. but I appreciate your vote but for me, it's non-sense
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Axe on 06 08, 2021, 04:21:27 pm
Stuff that's unfair like sea sparrow in LV and infinity Rpg spam shouldn't be allowed even as a preference that makes the people who prepared for it to get a big advantage over the other side that's not expecting it. I agree with this
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: STAR on 06 08, 2021, 04:43:24 pm
Stable combat means better combat. No point nor fun in letting groups/sides with the most members force certain gameplay mechanics upon the other group/side. Locking the preferences OP stated for a while will eventually make players adapt and play better. I won't be making an essay here as players above have mentioned everything I wanted to say. Supporting this.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: DEATH on 06 08, 2021, 04:46:57 pm
we're talking about voting in LV and I can see from your player statics you have 2402 hours (https://i.imgur.com/J57JNc4.png) while you have 0 playtime in LV (https://i.imgur.com/TzYzeEe.png) and low LV stats  (https://i.imgur.com/oMaPWLH.png) which means you're not playing in LV all the time so you never faced this issue maybe you're visiting LV once a month
since April you just played 14 hours so I guess u never faced this issue in LV before so I don't know you're just voting about what. but I appreciate your vote but for me, it's non-sense

I can call out ten different people from this same thread with exact same case, stop calling people out when you've barely step foot in LV yourself, people are free to post in the thread. The reason this "preference" thing was created was due to several changes to the LV gameplay style within short periods of time. You wouldn't know that but would be the first to jump out and call on people like a baffoon.

You've called out Chaos for doing this, meanwhile, you and your alliance do the same thing, it's fairly easy to point fingers at others and overlook oneself. Chaos barely plays in LV, people can pull up stats if needed. That preference gets updated maybe at most four-five times a week.

I don't mind removing some of those preferences, but I really don't want to play with 250+ ping players using undamageable sea sparrows.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 06 08, 2021, 04:52:21 pm
I can call out ten different people from this same post with exact same case, stop calling people out when you've barely step foot in LV yourself, people are free to post in the thread. The reason this "preference" thing was created was due to several changes to the LV gameplay style within short periods of time. You wouldn't know that but would be the first to jump out and call on people like a baffoon.

You've called out Chaos for doing this, meanwhile, you and your alliance do the same thing, it's fairly easy to point fingers at others and overlook oneself. Chaos barely plays in LV, people can pull up stats if needed. That preference gets updated maybe at most four-five times a week.

I don't mind removing some of those preferences, but I really don't want to play with 250+ ping players using undamageable sea sparrows.
I called Chaos because it happened after I created this suggestion, it was a live example second point if you're reading the topic carefully you would found out I said no for sea sparrow so just re-read the post instead of jumping and post useless words. as I said I appreciate the guy vote and he is free to do it. I said my own opinion about his vote so I can be free to say my opinion about the vote of his guy. I just wanted to prove some statics of the voters and you're free to call out the ten different people
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: DEATH on 06 08, 2021, 05:01:44 pm
I called Chaos because it happened after I created this suggestion, it was a live example second point if you're reading the topic carefully you would found out I said no for sea sparrow so just re-read the post instead of jumping and post useless words. as I said I appreciate the guy vote and he is free to do it. I said my own opinion about his vote so I can be free to say my opinion about the vote of his guy. I just wanted to prove some statics of the voters and you're free to call out the ten different people

Go learn to read, I've bolded it for you, "... I don't mind removing some of those preferences ...", did I say I'm refuting your suggestion?

Your own opinion was to call him out (as he's against your suggestion) and corner him while there are people with "same/similar statistics (not been playing in LV or barely come to LV) posting "positive" and you go dumb silent on them, see the point there? All I'm saying is you look like a clown doing so. Furthermore, your discussion statistics have one data point; Chaos. Nice analytical and conclusive skills there bud. I don't want to argue with you. Cheers!
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Wangrant on 06 08, 2021, 06:55:43 pm
I agree.We need better system for the overpowered preferences in LV so they would stop get abused by non LV players to fit their playstyle in turfs.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 06 08, 2021, 07:16:24 pm
not everyone is gona agree with your own LV pref,you're gona need to make a poll here or vote or whatever it is,and guess what everyone is gona come voting no or yes because that LV players told him to do it and there is no way it aint gona hapend,its just another war of LV sides but in voting,and then we're gona see wall of suggestions of bringing back old speed or anything or any fucking shit,so just keep things as they're and say alhamdulillah , just like LS, 8 or 9 topics in the last 3 months about removing LS and every topic have atleast 11 pages and it didnt go infavor because every city is split in two sides,the guys with the positives votes and the negatives votes,and the other 2 citys is also split in 2 sides,the helpers of the negative votes team and the other helpers of the positive votes team.
i'm not gona vote ,i just gave my opinion
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After preferences removal everyone will be able to suggest ideas on discussion board like every normal change on the server.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: HosttyBoy on 06 08, 2021, 07:23:46 pm
The current situation of the LV makes newbies and LS players run out of LV which makes it easier for LV veterans who spend 24/7 on the city to capture all the turfs. The reason for this is that the gameplay is changing every single day and it's hard for people to adapt themselves to the situation. 1 single gameplay must be chosen so all the players of the server can adapt themselves to the city if they ever enter the city. The question is how can we attract players to the LV? It's certainly not by having tons of gameplays which change every single day but its with having 1 single gameplay so it'll be much easier for players to adapt in LV.  :tick:
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Jason on 06 08, 2021, 08:49:49 pm
The preference system in general is an attempt to satisfy everyone by giving them options, but more often than not its just annoys people and gets abused, especially in LV. Chaos rocking up with 30 players in LV and changing to LS gameplay on demand is a prime example of how broken the system is, with more subtle examples occuring daily such as the crackier side in LV at any given time changing to no RPG cooldown, low explosive resistance and sea sparrow shooting to make sure the other side gives up, simply due to being annoyed by the settings. Lets just stick to the most popular options and if any player(s) want to change how LV is, they can suggest it here and we can discuss it. LV players have a reputation of fighting eachother all the time, but as you can see the opinions are almost unanimously against preferences and the discussions are pretty civil independent of sides. Lets get rid of this abusive shit, voting positive.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: xenonso on 07 08, 2021, 10:51:44 am
LV Preference system is just getting abused by players, imo a stable combat system will be better for us all. Then my vote will be positive.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: Arran on 09 08, 2021, 03:58:46 pm
If a moderator counts the vote and enough players support this then we'll have a poll as to what to keep the preferences permanently as.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 09 08, 2021, 04:13:51 pm
If a moderator counts the vote and enough players support this then we'll have a poll as to what to keep the preferences permanently as.

That could be done. I hope that doesn't mean you'll blacklist LV suggestions after LV preferences removal.. The main point of this, other than preferences being abused by groups to gain advantages instantaneously, is to make LV balance changes, improvements and implementations discussable on this board like every other thing on the server. Meaning even if the change of, let's say, Deagle is required from time to time, you'll not get frustrated to accept it.
Title: Re: Removing LV Preference
Post by: HosttyBoy on 09 08, 2021, 06:20:15 pm
 - 33 Positive votes
 - 6 Negative votes
 - Total : 27 Positive votes

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1- If your suggestion is clearly supported, moderators can mark it as Medium/High Priority without needing to wait 7 days. The same applies if your suggestion is clearly unsupported, we are free to lock it. Moreover, moderators can lock a suggestion if it got less than 5 votes in 4 days.
Marked as High priority.

[LV] Explosive Resistance: No
[LV] Classic / Old LV: No
[LV] Drop Grenade When Running: Yes
[LV] 200 Max Health: Yes
[LV] Sea Sparrow Shooting: No
[LV] Sniper Instant Shoot: Yes
[LV] Buy RPG Command: Yes
[LV] Switch When Throwing Exploit: Yes
[LV] Extra Game Speed: Yes
[LV] Switch When Shooting: Yes
[LV] Projectile Cool Down: No'
These are the preferences that daddy suggested on LV discussion discord.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: despe on 09 08, 2021, 06:23:33 pm
I agree  :tick: with all of the preferences daddy stated we already had poll in LV discussion discord.

Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: WeL3a on 09 08, 2021, 07:48:12 pm
Okay I agree with all of the preferences daddy stated. We already voted on this preferences since 27 july
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: Arran on 09 08, 2021, 09:10:55 pm
Poll added to topic. Vote open for 7 days.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 11 08, 2021, 01:32:35 am
Poll added to topic. Vote open for 7 days.

I think people should be allowed to change votes. I accidentally voted on something I didn't want to, just noticed and unfortunately, can't change the vote.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: MaX15 on 11 08, 2021, 09:54:27 am
The fact that these preferences are still being voted on by players makes it functional and not useless, as the main point of the preference is the presentation of the majority will (LV players to be specific) which seems not to be applied here as an in-game. If someone asked me to vote on something I don't want to be applied, I simply ignore it. and if the majority voted on something then this is not abuse, but the majority voted for it which sounds more reasonable than the minority having control over the gameplay.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 11 08, 2021, 02:39:28 pm
The fact that these preferences are still being voted on by players makes it functional and not useless, as the main point of the preference is the presentation of the majority will (LV players to be specific) which seems not to be applied here as an in-game. If someone asked me to vote on something I don't want to be applied, I simply ignore it. and if the majority voted on something then this is not abuse, but the majority voted for it which sounds more reasonable than the minority having control over the gameplay.

That's not how democracy should work in theory, given the example of the one group and an alliance having control of the "majority" of the player count, it's very clear. Taking into consideration that the system was intended to be used fairly among the players, it is being abused by controlling the gameplay favoring the groups and alliances with a much higher members count. That's also how democracy is being abused at every other community or society, give all the people ability to cast a vote on very influential changes, without demanding or evaluating reasons behind them, and you get some particular group of people influencing every other people's votes to gain advantages for themselves. Democracy's flaws explained on the in-game incidence, what would you not learn by games, huh?
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: DEATH on 11 08, 2021, 04:22:59 pm
That's not how democracy should work in theory, given the example of the one group and an alliance having control of the "majority" of the player count, it's very clear. Taking into consideration that the system was intended to be used fairly among the players, it is being abused by controlling the gameplay favoring the groups and alliances with a much higher members count. That's also how democracy is being abused at every other community or society, give all the people ability to cast a vote on very influential changes, without demanding or evaluating reasons behind them, and you get some particular group of people influencing every other people's votes to gain advantages for themselves. Democracy's flaws explained on the in-game incidence, what would you not learn by games, huh?

CIT isn't a democracy. The polls are already fucked up as well.

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Projectile Cool Down: Yes 52 (3.8%)
Projectile Cool Down: No 71 (5.2%)


Explosive Resistance: Yes 56 (4.1%)
Explosive Resistance: No 68 (5%)

I guarantee a decline in LV population dependent just on these two categories.

Why even make this poll if the original suggestion clearly stated the following:

Well, the main point of the suggestion is to remove the LV preferences and stick with specific options.
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Therefore I'm here to suggest removing LV preference and we will stick with:
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Explosive Resistance: No
Classic / Old LV: No
Drop Grenade When Running: Yes
200 Max Health: Yes
Sea Sparrow Shooting: No
Sniper Instant Shoot: Yes
Buy RPG Command: Yes
Switch When Throwing Exploit: Yes
Extra Game Speed: Yes
Switch When Shooting: Yes
Projectile Cool Down: No

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The positive votes on this suggestion were based on the points above, it shouldn't have been made more convoluted by introducing another variable and levying the decision on anyone with a forum account regardless of their activity or their faction/genre of gameplay.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: OhhKarim on 11 08, 2021, 04:27:15 pm
Poll added to topic. Vote open for 7 days.

A poll where anyone can vote regardless of them being a LV player while LV has a lower player base than LS...

I remember a long time ago I had suggested that the LV preferences need to have a requirement that you must meet in order to be able to vote (for example X amount of kills in LV, or X turfs taken in LV [before LS turfs were counted]). That would be more logical.

Better idea: The same poll but in a small GUI for 7 days which would open once you log in-game, or there would be a notification letting you know you can vote in that GUI with a certain command such as /voteLV. You must meet certain requirements, like 5000 kills in LV, in order to vote on the poll's questions.

But I understand that you may not think it's worth the hassle, just giving my two cents.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 11 08, 2021, 04:53:50 pm
The thing is that I said poll "could be done", because after removing LV preferences people would be able to suggest any LV changes or additions on discussion board separately. Did I mention anywhere that a forum poll is anything better than the preferences we have currently in-game? No, let's just get rid of preferences first and then we discuss on changing or adding anything new.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: MaX15 on 11 08, 2021, 08:59:06 pm
That's not how democracy should work in theory, given the example of the one group and an alliance having control of the "majority" of the player count, it's very clear. Taking into consideration that the system was intended to be used fairly among the players, it is being abused by controlling the gameplay favoring the groups and alliances with a much higher members count. That's also how democracy is being abused at every other community or society, give all the people ability to cast a vote on very influential changes, without demanding or evaluating reasons behind them, and you get some particular group of people influencing every other people's votes to gain advantages for themselves. Democracy's flaws explained on the in-game incidence, what would you not learn by games, huh?
What is the difference between the current in-game preference system and the current poll made? People would still call others to vote, but worse they may even call inactive people/friends with forum accounts to vote on X/Y/Z. Eventfully the current system works better than this whole vote suggest system as it mainly depend on the vote of the majority in LV. And preference enabled by the majority is better than having anything changed to perm by inactive players after being called to vote (I, myself was called to vote in here but I'm expressing my opinion), current system and the way it works by active majority LV players is better than any other changes like this.

Would it be fair if you had LS players voting all over here to keep classic LV as perm change and remove the binds? atleast in-game when they do that it, they be representing the majority of LV and accordingly they vote for specific preference which can be changed if the majority or the rest decided to vote against these preference.

The thing is that I said poll "could be done", because after removing LV preferences people would be able to suggest any LV changes or additions on discussion board separately. Did I mention anywhere that a forum poll is anything better than the preferences we have currently in-game? No, let's just get rid of preferences first and then we discuss on changing or adding anything new.
Yet people are voting on doing some perm changes, not to remove the preference system, then we vote. which is why I'm saying having the ingame preference vote system is way better then the votes being counted in this suggestion
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 11 08, 2021, 10:26:02 pm
I think I explained well enough that for the sake of removing preferences, everything can be welcomed. After preference removal, you'll be able to open suggestions regarding any feature mentioned in the current poll, thus we'll have non-anonymous voting like on every discussion topic. Also, you can't disallow non-LV player votes, since every player on the server can come to LV and play there, like you can influence voting on every other non-LV related suggestions on discussion board, they can also state their opinions and votes on the LV related suggestions, as long as it's logical and has any thoughtful explanations in it.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: Axriz22 on 12 08, 2021, 03:28:58 pm
l agree too  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: Fury' on 13 08, 2021, 08:58:05 am
I completely agree with all Daddy's preferences and almost all of them are player preferences on current LV :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: mx on 13 08, 2021, 01:16:03 pm
I am supporting daddy's prefences.This is useful to CIT.Positive
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: Nei0 on 13 08, 2021, 08:39:19 pm
I agree  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: daddy on 14 08, 2021, 11:23:38 am
Before we created this suggestion, we had a discussion in our discord.
We came here talking about a case that certain groups who have a lot of members can take the advantage to change the whole play-style such as explosive resistance or classic LV.
The same groups INSTEAD of voting ingame in through /settings they came here voting anonymously instead of even posting.
We have 2 days, I won't tell non LV players to come vote, so I can win because we already had enough lv players voted for what lv should be. A certain non-LV groups of can control the gameplay of a whole city.
Good luck for the votes but if Classic LV became permanent. it would be pretty stupid. For more than 5 years we have the binds, so imagine forcing a city full of EXPLOITERS that's how you call them. To play with weapon wheel.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 14 08, 2021, 12:54:02 pm
Classic LV should literally be excluded from the voting, since it negates almost every other preference listed in the poll.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: MeD. on 14 08, 2021, 02:08:02 pm
Just wanted to point out that preferences with very close voting results such as 45% vs 55% should be left the way the are right now, as a preference.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 14 08, 2021, 02:16:08 pm
Just wanted to point out that preferences with very close voting results such as 45% vs 55% should be left the way the are right now, as a preference.

Obviously no, since the voting is anonymous and assuming the parties involved into voting on those important changes aren't even associated with LV. Once the preferences will be removed open discussions would be able to point out the the inevitable gameplay changes LV needs. Stop manipulating suggestion with your senseless and illogical ideas, the main point of the topic is to remove every LV preference.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: MeD. on 14 08, 2021, 02:43:37 pm
Recast the same vote then and you'd have something like 55% vs 45% in favor for the previously losing preference. If the opinions are equally divided you can't have a concrete answer.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: GoldNugget on 14 08, 2021, 03:14:49 pm
Recast the same vote then and you'd have something like 55% vs 45% in favor for the previously losing preference. If the opinions are equally divided you can't have a concrete answer.

Doesn't matter, even if the voting will end up that close, preference with the most votes will be chosen as default. Obviously, Classic LV is opted out since, as I said, it disregards every other preference in the poll.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: chaiNNAlAzim07 on 14 08, 2021, 10:44:37 pm
vote/poll system can be faked by a bunch of players (groups) it's just like mentioning @everyone on the discord server and say "GO vote for x and y shit", and no, this shit can't be done.

if preferences are still used such as classic LV or LV sea sparrow and etc... then you can't just remove them in order to serve your own purposes and fuck others', I don't know how this topic still opened but I think if the other side of LV doesn't want the "Preference" system anymore then it's their problems, Preference system allows the majority to vote on what gameplay they want, therefore I will never agree on this.

believe me, if pr system got removed then watch the chaos days later on this board, it'll be a mess, think twice before taking such a movement.
Title: Re: [+++] Removing LV Preference
Post by: Arran on 16 08, 2021, 10:41:21 pm
- Disabled all LV preferences, replaced with permanent settings based on the forum vote. (Arran + daddy)