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Title: [+++] Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: daddy on 13 09, 2021, 01:57:39 pm
What is the suggestion going about?: Add a delay switching from Deagle to combat-shotgun In LV.
Description: we had a solution before, added delay to the weapon itself which is Deagle but makes the weapon useless in LV, so here we found a better solution by adding delay switching from Deagle to spas only, I already asked some community developers and they told me it's possible, so we can use switch fast from deagle to sniper or any other weapon only the delay will be added to spas.
What would this suggestion improve: It will improve the gameplay here in LV, because it gives an advantage to cheaters who use macros and become undefeatable because it deals a lot of damage.
Why does this needs to be added?: It's totally unwanted here in LV. Players here complaining about it daily because it can kill anyone in less than 3 seconds which is annoying.
Can you provide us any examples?: here is an example full health + armor with drugs enabled in 2 seconds and 235 milliseconds
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https://youtu.be/sWJEATg-oPE
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Stockholm1738 on 13 09, 2021, 02:00:11 pm
yes I agree remove this, now whole lv using macros.   :tick:
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Wangrant on 13 09, 2021, 02:04:31 pm
we need to play clean in LV and we need to enjoy playing the game because now its disturbing my gameplay experience if everyone will keep using Deagle-Spas exploit. Positive
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Jason on 13 09, 2021, 02:12:29 pm
Any solution which gets rid of this spam I'm positive with, but do not limit it only to combat shotgun as people will just spam deagle and sawn off which is just as annoying.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Zio on 13 09, 2021, 02:43:58 pm
I totally agree with this, adding this delay will make LV gameplay more enjoyable.
1 point I need to make is that we need to add this deagle delay to any shotgun out there and not only spas, because adding it only to spas will force everyone to use sawn and people will exploit the sawn dgl spam and as a result we are back into the same dgl spas loop, therefore a deagle delay to any shotgun is needed.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: KoOta on 13 09, 2021, 02:48:12 pm
most of people use macros to spam these 2 guns. adding delay to deagle >spas would be great idea. and also im happy to see deagle back but hope they wont mess it up again with deagle. anyways im positive with this suggestion to add delay to spas and deagle combo.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: TheHacker on 13 09, 2021, 02:56:44 pm
positive because a lot of people abusing this and even have macro for this so I think there should be delay so that this idiotic gameplay will be gone and everyone will have a fair chance in lv combat
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Mark.- on 13 09, 2021, 02:56:55 pm
I agree with this but everyone will start spamming sawn and deagle, so you should suggest adding the delay between deagle and sawn/combat
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: daddy on 13 09, 2021, 02:57:30 pm
I agree with this but everyone will start spamming sawn and deagle, so you should suggest adding the delay between deagle and sawn/combat
Let's finish this first and we will see sawn dgl because it can be countered easily
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: ManeXi on 13 09, 2021, 03:06:13 pm
this delay should be added also to Deagle > Sawn Off, sawn off is also abusable.
Positive.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: xXkingahmdXx on 13 09, 2021, 03:20:46 pm
Voting Negative  cuz I like using deagle spas  and this will not be fair adding a delay between spas deagle and not between sniper and nades for example.

If ur voting for this you might ask to turn off switch while shooting this will be more fair
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: zurq on 13 09, 2021, 03:25:07 pm
I am voting positively. LOL, these spammers are really annoying, adding macros to just spam such thing. And, any sugg related to 'spam removes' I am positive with, as that guy above said. :tick:
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: STAR on 13 09, 2021, 03:34:07 pm
this will not be fair adding a delay between spas deagle and not between sniper and nades for example.
Because the sniper has a bolting delay which is much longer compared to the trigger pull delay between spas and deagle. You also do a throwing animation before you chuck your grenade at the enemy, there's no way to cancel (or significantly lower) the grenade animation and bolting delay unlike the deagle/spas spam. Besides, most people who spam this technique uses macros to perfectly execute the shots, which is lame and boring.

The DPS difference is insane, you know this already.

Upvoting this. Let's see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: thund3R on 13 09, 2021, 08:05:41 pm
Again idk why are you trying to overcomplicate things when you could remove the ability to switch weapons while aiming and still be able to use fast weapon switches as long you release the aim button when switching but whatever. I'll upvote this since this might a solution to the stupid ass Deagle, SPAS spamming playstyle. :tick:
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: MaX15 on 13 09, 2021, 08:38:57 pm
I can't seem to understand what is the point of such an addition? Currently, everyone is equal as everyone and anyone can spam Deagle/spas, however, I assure you that this won't solve the spam Deagle/spas issue as it'd only make those without macros unable to use it, meanwhile, macro users would be able to use it by setting another wep switch in between deagle/spas for few ms to bypass the delay, so I'm downvoting this, as the purpose this suggestion is made for and most people are upvoting for won't be reached by such addition. There are many ways and hundred of different ways to bypass such restrictions and delay such as this one: (You can notice at lower speed, that between the spas and deagle m4 comes up fast which would surly bypass the delay)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPAhNruJM8

However, this suggestion would put those who manually (without macro) spam spas/deagle at a disadvantage, and the only way to avoid such thing and disable the whole spam is by re-adding the delay added on Deagle when switching to any other weapon.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: CharonV on 13 09, 2021, 10:53:20 pm
Positive without any arguments
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: zomb1e on 13 09, 2021, 11:06:54 pm
Positive for sure,
But adding a delay for both weapons will just cause a mess and you won't be able to switch from both weapons after instantly shooting happened last time.

So my idea is to just add a cooldown on the desert eagle, a 0.5 second cooldown would be perfect so the script should do the following:
1. Player X is holding the desert eagle.
2. X shoots using the deagle
3. A 0.5  cooldown applies on his deagle (BUT AFTER SHOOTING PLAYER X SHOULD BE ABLE TO PRESS ANY WEAPON BIND AND SWITCH FROM HIS CURRENT WEAPON TO ANY WEAPON INSTANTLY AND NOT ADD A BIND DELAY LIKE THE LAST UPDATE, YOU LITERALLY RUINED THE WEAPON)
4. Player X can still swtich to deagle and aim but is not allowed to shoot, in this case players will still be comfortable switching weapons without worrying about any bind delay like the old fix which caused players to remove it.

You might want to add this to your topic so Arran understands what he should do to fix this.

This solution could fix every single deagle issue in the game, from the Deagle/M4 spam, Deagle/Spaz spam to Deagle/Sawn off spam.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: iMeMPlayZ on 14 09, 2021, 12:00:58 am
Voting Negative  cuz I like using deagle spas  and this will not be fair adding a delay between spas deagle and not between sniper and nades for example.

If ur voting for this you might ask to turn off switch while shooting this will be more fair
Switching from spaz to deagle in a normal way is fine like switching from sniper to nade or anything else buuut some known people are using macros to switch from spaz to deagle in the speed of light while shooting and its obvious
I see this solution is the best way to get rid of macro usage in LV.
Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: seba on 14 09, 2021, 12:11:17 am
Again idk why are you trying to overcomplicate things when you could remove the ability to switch weapons while aiming and still be able to use fast weapon switches as long you release the aim button when switching but whatever. I'll upvote this since this might a solution to the stupid ass Deagle, SPAS spamming playstyle. :tick:

This is the best solution for the issue and i'm sure that the easiest to implement. Adding a delay to deagle just gonna ruin it again
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: holsteN on 14 09, 2021, 02:58:35 am
I completely agree with this suggestion, it is annoying that people who have the possibility of using macros abuse them with this spam
POSITIVE  :tick:
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: |Lucky on 14 09, 2021, 09:30:54 am
Well, I don't know how macro works exactly but since this will fix the issue of spamming then i'll support this suggestion, it's really annoying like to have a fight and die in 3sec , as well I see a lot of ppl saying u can spam deagle/swan so I want to say that u can't spam deagle/swan cuz it takes some secs to reload.
Positive
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Surly on 14 09, 2021, 10:50:00 am
I hate this spam we need remove this.My vote is Positive
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Hancengiz on 14 09, 2021, 11:18:25 am
Yeah, it is really so annoying to die within 3 seconds. To avoid cheating, I support the idea. :tick:







Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Metehan on 14 09, 2021, 03:15:00 pm
I agree with this suggestion but it will be useless if you gonna add delay only for combat-shotgun because even you can spam that Deagle shit with tec-9. So In my opinion, nothing will be changed. Therefore, I recommend you guys to add a delay on Deagle (like when you fire one deagle bullet you need to wait 0.2 seconds or maybe more/less) I guess that would solve the problem
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: chaiNNAlAzim07 on 14 09, 2021, 03:34:54 pm
Imagine nerfing Deagle then everyone starts crying over and over to get it back, then when it gets re-added everyone starts crying to nerf it again and the same circle going on :fp: negative.

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@HosttyBoy I think this topic should be locked as it's going against the rules
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: MaX15 on 14 09, 2021, 03:56:55 pm
Imagine nerfing Deagle then everyone starts crying over and over to get it back, then when it gets re-added everyone starts crying to nerf it again and the same circle going on :fp: negative.
 @HosttyBoy I think this topic should be locked as it's going against the rules
I don't recall anyone crying to remove the delay in the first place, it was removed by Arran after being told in chat by some players who definitely do not represent the majority of players, and afterwards he said any changes regarding this shall be made on forums which is reasonable.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: OhhKarim on 14 09, 2021, 09:37:19 pm
Spamming spas/deagle while holding aim is a coward gamestyle which is overpowered. We shouldn't alter the binds or anything just because some bad players use this tactic, hence your suggestion is a reasonable balance by only implementing the delay when you switch from deagle to spas (like others said, the sawn off can be included too), upvoting.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: zurq on 14 09, 2021, 10:18:55 pm
Voting Negative  cuz I like using deagle spas  and this will not be fair adding a delay between spas deagle and not between sniper and nades for example.

If ur voting for this you might ask to turn off switch while shooting this will be more fair

If it wasn't from these useless macros, this suggestion won't be added. Everyone are playing with macros, about what 'fair gameplay' you're talking about?

this delay should be added also to Deagle > Sawn Off, sawn off is also abusable.
Positive.

Deagle, sawn off isn't important more than deagle and combat, atleast people aren't spamming deagle and sawn like the deagle and combat as well. That's my opinion about it
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: HosttyBoy on 14 09, 2021, 10:23:37 pm
26 Positive votes, 3 Negative votes. Highly supported. Marked as High Priority.
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Nacho69 on 14 09, 2021, 10:24:26 pm
This suggestion is good and it's gonna be leading to reduce some of the wep binds exploit as well as improving and changing some fight style and enjoyment of the LV gameplay.Positive
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: WeL3a on 14 09, 2021, 10:26:19 pm
I can't seem to understand what is the point of such an addition? Currently, everyone is equal as everyone and anyone can spam Deagle/spas, however, I assure you that this won't solve the spam Deagle/spas issue as it'd only make those without macros unable to use it, meanwhile, macro users would be able to use it by setting another wep switch in between deagle/spas for few ms to bypass the delay, so I'm downvoting this, as the purpose this suggestion is made for and most people are upvoting for won't be reached by such addition. There are many ways and hundred of different ways to bypass such restrictions and delay such as this one: (You can notice at lower speed, that between the spas and deagle m4 comes up fast which would surly bypass the delay)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VPAhNruJM8

However, this suggestion would put those who manually (without macro) spam spas/deagle at a disadvantage, and the only way to avoid such thing and disable the whole spam is by re-adding the delay added on Deagle when switching to any other weapon.

Voting Negative I agree with what Max just said macros players will find another way to bypass it it also gives a disadvantage for those who play without one.
Matter of fact the same players who voted positive on removing deagle/spas spam are those who voted on bringing it back to the game  ;D
Title: Re: Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: daddy on 14 09, 2021, 10:29:29 pm
Matter of fact the same players who voted postive on removing deagle/spas spam are those who voted on bringing it back to the game  ;D
no one voted about bringing it back to the game or remove the nerf I suggested, I was inactive at that time, I didn't see an update change-log line or topic, so it was made a main chat discussion with 1 player who doesn't represent the majority of LV players
Title: Re: [+++] Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: RicaRdo on 14 09, 2021, 11:42:18 pm
When I went to LV I tried to play there, I found out players killing me in 2 seconds with that combo, which can't be avoided so it's not giving any LS players chance to go there. LV wasn’t like this old times it, we always used to see LS groups/players playing there unlike now… i’m sure that you barely see an LS group turfing there because they call it nothing but cancer, I was an LV player and this was one of the reasons to leave it, many other players got the same reasons, stop the selfishness. Positive  :)
Title: Re: [+++] Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Axe on 15 09, 2021, 09:26:04 am
It gives cheaters high unfair advantage and it kills in 2 seconds or less which is ridiculous. Positive
Title: Re: [+++] Add a delay switching from Deagle to Combat-Shotgun in LV.
Post by: Arran on 15 09, 2021, 03:55:09 pm
You didn't say what delay so went with 400ms.