Development Changes

[xb0xkilla162]

Interesting......first it was too many criminals and no cops, now it's too many cops and no criminals? Playercount still has criminals to cops at a 3:1 ratio. Raise payment for criminal activities a bit then?

[Houaiss]

Interesting......first it was too many criminals and no cops, now it's too many cops and no criminals? Playercount still has criminals to cops at a 3:1 ratio. Raise payment for criminal activities a bit then?

or just remove the jail time....

[JoKeR999]

Well, I'm not sure but probably many people are banned?
Also, Please bring back med kits to the hospital, And reduce the amount of silly punishments.
That's what I'm talking about:

- Forum: Removed rule #1 (Not using brain) #11 (Requesting forum status) #13 (Useless bump) #16 (Time waster) #19 (Redundant rule) #21 (Gen. discussion misuse) #23 (Identity changer) #26 (Redundant rule) #28 (Copying content) #33 (Redundant rule) #34 (Lying about confirming a bug (see rule #2)) #35 (Redundant rule) and #41 (Redundant rule) (Arran)

[SnooP]

1- Bring back medkits at hospitals as its too expensive now
2-bring back The Price of Grenades and stachels or atleast  lower it to 1500/2000$ so everyone could afford them
3-Bring back the old turf payment
4-be able to shoot/kill as a civilian in LV
5-Remove the spawn protection in LV

[Master.]

I should mention once again, people, mostly 70-85% of the server is playing to become a Staff, by passing Supporters period or just getting staff after working hard. You know, most of the players are leaving because they couldn't achieve Staff or supporters duty ONLY because of unfairity. People would accept the Deny, but they can't understand why? For example, a guy plays in the server since it got opened, helps and does his most, but due to the 800-1000 players nobody doesn't pays attention to him. Even after he achieves a community rank to apply for Staff, he gets denied, why? "You aren't known enough, I didn't see you" etc, those are the votes that staffs are making usually.

Only some, 15-20% of the players are the old ones, that already passed their "Supporter&Staff" gainin period, which resulted in nothing, that's why theyre discriminating staffs and some other ppl and theyre just playing for fun. Theyre right actually in some parts, but not at all. The thing is, you guys should make Staff Applications public as Suro already mentioned, so ppl can actually understand why are they getting denied and who is forcing others to vote negatively? By saying that, i'm repeating Suro's words as he already said, it's like that everywhere, first vote forces others to stay Neutral or vote Negatively or even maybe positively. First positive vote results in neutral-positive, Neutral results in neutral-negative, and so on. People should know who is against them, maybe someone is your friend, he's playing having fun with you and saying no to your application after all your hard work? Just saying. At the moment only L4+'s can recommend someone for supporters duty, I believe enabling supporter apps again would be good. The problem of ppl leaving is, Unfairity, it exists everywhere and it should be fixed. Not only at supporter/staffs apps and such things. For example Police chief or Crim boss is a 5% of Staff's powers/abilities. As you see everything goes well due to applications being public. I wont talk too much, just saying, that unfairity is the biggest problem of CIT.

[Marin.]

or just remove the jail time....

I strongly disagree with that. Imagine that,you kill ten cops,rob the store,do illegal trucking and SWAT or any police team in group arrest or kill you and you spawn somewhere like you did nothing.

My opinions:

1st. - I see some people are killing cops all day at LS hospital because they have auto payjailfine,it should be removed because whole law side sees the crim all time.

2nd. - Deathmatching; I remember old deathmatchers and when people got banned on 60 days !! It's unrealistic to shot at the medic or civilian and you can not kill them.So you should enable deathmatching but decrease ban time 60 days to maybe 10 or 15 days because 2 months was too much. Every city will be more active,staffs will have to punish them like before.I talked with former staff (MaRiN) on skype and he told me that DM times was much better,that staffs had to do more and to get jail lines.

3rd. - Aiming cop for 2 sec.I annoying that he could damage you 0.50 sec before you start shoting so please make a vote to keep or remove that, so people will vote.

4rd. - Griefing; You punch some popular jelly crim or you shot him and he reports you...you got jailed for griefing.

5th - Re-enable old features... Aiming while civilian,DMing as I already said,weed farm..

[CrazyTaco]

I dont know how the "old LV" or "oldschool CIT" was because i've never saw it, I started playing CIT like one year and half ago.
But almost every old player says that Old CIT was better and that they miss it... its very rare to see an old player saying that he likes the way CIT is now...
And honestly I would really like to see how the "old" things where, I think that I probably missed the best things in CIT.

[`YoSiF`]

- The 'shortage' strategy isn't working obviously, get over it. Instead of limiting stuff that we like, make it more affordable and enjoyable.

- For admins, stop punishing people IG and/or on forums for trivial rule breaking, it's clearly driving them away..

- Try limiting the bans and only ban permanently in serious situations such as cheating/hacking.

- Less isolation, staff applications shouldn't be hidden. Maybe make it seen by CMs and read only?

- About LV, I agree with everything that @MadaFaka stated except the weapon binds because it caused problems that I experienced.

[Lucky]

Have you gathered data on who actually left/disused their account?

If you gather this data, it could help a lot more in terms of if these players that left are old players that joined CIT since 2010/2011. This would show that they didn't like the changes you did. For example the old turfing system which I understand you will not bring this back is not a form of having fun but its a full time money making job; Remember the CRACK group with the old turfing system?

The current system now is very much like the real world - A capitalist world.
- The reason why I said the statement above is the imbalance of pricing.
                         - For example a Hydra cost $40M, is that really needed?
                         - A train cost $10M From the updates today it has been lowered to $2M.

The moment when vehicles pricing were more than doubled really impacted many CITizens especially the ones who always work.

Try to revert back to the old pricing but don't considerably increase them.

Going back to LV, remember there were criminal events in LV? such as the Casino why has that been disabled. I believe bring that back will increase LV activity.
Make some sort of story line in LV such as LAW wanting to bring back a police state in LV so there will be a limitless amount of conflict in LV between law and criminals for law to bring back order in LV which of course will never happen thats the whole point of my idea.

For civilians, payments need to increase if current prices are going to stay the same or increase in the future. I suggest to REVIEW all jobs and make sure all are as closely balanced as they ever can be.

And finally @Arran , think about future prospects. I know this will one day come to an end, everything comes to an end. What are your future ideas. I know I may sound ambitious but this is the way to go forward.
As many have said GTA SA is getting old which could be the reason to why people are leaving.

It is not too early to think about a move to another franchise of GTA such as IV or GTA V. Yes I understand GTA V has not even come out on PC yet but as I said future prospects. What you have achieved in terms of scripting skills is mind boggling, without scripting all this would have never happened.

[ChickenFighter]

Interesting......first it was too many criminals and no cops, now it's too many cops and no criminals? Playercount still has criminals to cops at a 3:1 ratio. Raise payment for criminal activities a bit then?

There is just one problem with it: Most criminals are NOT wanted while they still have their criminal job. They are driving around talking to someone or doing anything else they like as stunting.
Most of the time there are not more than 30-50 wanted criminals and even less with a high wanted level but at the same time there are like 150 cops who are hungry for A LOT of money.

This leads us to massive inbalance. Criminals don't want to do criminal stuff anymore as its useless. I've tryed to rob a store today and got swarmed by 10 cops at the same time.
Now cops could say "Just do stuff with more criminals together" but thats not possible all the time you want to do something. Even then the cops ALWAYS win as they can respawn nearly everywhere.

Personally, I'm not motivated to do criminal things anymore. its not fun as you get swarmed by cops in just seconds. I've used to do alot of illegal trucking back before the cop update but now its not really possible. I can do this only at like 4am when like 200 people are online and thats not fun.

Soon, because of that issue, even less criminals will do criminal stuff, leading us to more cops with NO work. If a cop kills me with a 100 stars wl he will get like 300k with the 3x multiplier for just ONE kill. Thats A LOT of money and they don't even have the disadvatages that criminals have. Cops don't have to go to jail they can just respawn and kill some more in order to get huge amounts of money. Thats not balanced and NOT fun at all.

I can 100% agree what Tad and spongefin wrote too. This server is not GTA anymore. Walking through players and even cars while I can't even rob them this is not what GTA is all about. The DM time back then was AWESOME which is gone now. Back then the server still WAS GTA. The weed farm was hell lot of fun too. Not every player enjoys LV in order to do lets say group wars. With DM still there we could just kill the trollers that are trolling our regular road trips instead of ALWAYS calling an admin to help us. Most admins are busy so we are getting more frustrated because we can't deal with the troller ourself. EVERYONE in our group agrees that we need the DM capability BACK!

In fact: the server got WAY to strict. The fun got REMOVED. I can understand that some players abused the DM ability or the car jacking or some other stuff to troll people, but thats how GTA works. You could still deal with the trollers YOURSELF with a gun and there was no need to call an admin. An intruder in your base who don't want to leave? KILL HIM! No need to call an admin once again and this would be MORE fun AND statisfying instead of writing /report which is not fun at all.

Also the server has "some rp" in its name which is not correct at all. The only roleplay is within the groups and thats it. A good step in the right way would've been a market that has been suggested and upvoted before. THIS would make the server way more interesting that it is right now with the boring F7 menu. There is NO player interaction anymore which makes me kinda sad.

I've enjoyed this server A LOT and I respect Arran for what he has done BUT things have to change else I don't see myself playing on this server anymore.
Things get boring and dull really FAST currently. The only reason I stay is my lovely MC and thats pretty much it sadly.

[SnNe]

As for LV, the problem is that the money earned from turf is not giving the least to buy the ammo that have been spent on turf. And  the medkit, drugs and etc.

And the reason which players are stopping to play in CIT, and because everything is around the cops, the criminals are becoming cops.
Because no longer possible to live in LS with the work of criminal, then the criminals will go to LV and when it gets there is another big disappointment ai players stop playing.
The server and very good. But until I that playing for years, I'm getting very sad about the changes on the server.

[kalon_madnness]

Yess the things people want are becoming less but the amount of players are rising doesnt that show that everyone is happy the way it is :D:D hahah.

[Merridew]

For me, there are several reasons not to play, or getting bored from it.
I'll figure them out.



- Punishment system. So why would I ruin my life and stay in a 1x1 cage just because I've forgot my car on the road #misconduct (for example).

- Money. Why would I keep working and working and spending my time (for example) on being a pilot, then I just earn 2k that I'll surely lose them in a single transportation.

- Playing lonely. To join a famous/active/official group, I should meet a requirement & learn English so I can communicate with them, if not, I'd be just playing alone.


In the past, I faced all of these problems, which made me extremely bored from this game

Edit:

I forgot donators, honestly they ruin the game.

Donators nowadays can do everything.

[RedDrifter]

At some point every player has experienced that he was really bored of the game because there's nothing left for him to do, he already did everything there is and now he's just gaining money for no reason at all, he can keep buying cars and planes and houses and w/e but does that really give joy to the player? I think not, there should be something to keep them busy but currently there isn't so they just get bored and eventually leave the game.

[Romeo:3!]

For me, there are several reasons not to play, or getting bored from it.
I'll figure them out.



- Punishment system. So why would I ruin my life and stay in a 1x1 cage just because I've forgot my car on the road #misconduct (for example).

- Money. Why would I keep working and working and spending my time (for example) on being a pilot, then I just win 2k that I'll surely lose them in a single transportation.

- Playing lonely. To join a famous/active/official group, I should meet a requirement & learn English so I can communicate with them, if not, I'd be just playing alone.


In the past, I faced all of these problems, which made me extremely bored from this game.

You're rigth whit the payments of the jobs, because costs are higher than earnings.

I think that some punishments such as "Flaming staff" should be stronger, not be can insult the work and time of a staff, because no matter people insult since the punishment is at least