Firstly, the violent status for a criminal should NOT wear off for an infinite amount of time until the criminal is jailed.
Secondly, cops should be able to KILL a criminal that is holding a gun because it's a threat.
Criminals seriously, lets make things balanced. At the moment cit's cnr is completely out of balance..
Firstly, the violent status for a criminal should NOT wear off for an infinite amount of time until the criminal is jailed.
Secondly, cops should be able to KILL a criminal that is holding a gun because it's a threat.
I somehow neutral for this (generally). Because criminal has this particular disadvantage: Once they die, they will get jailed. Cops can go back to the criminal location to try to jail them again whenever they want to. That also means that cops have more times to plan strategies. But criminals don't.There are two types of crimes you can commit, either to earn money or drugs or just killing cops. The first type doesn´t give you long time in jail at all, often not more than 2 minutes witch give you much time to plan your strategies, go afk or just relax. Getting randomly killed as a cop isn´t nice either, it actually cost money to die if you don´t know that. As long you are unwanted you can always plan your strategies while cops can´t due to the risk of getting randomly killed all the time.
Disagree with this. Because there is also civilian. Well, it may be possible to just apply the script for criminal only as civilian can't hurt anybody. But it just doesn't make sense that if criminal holding a gun is a threat, but civilian doesn't. I mean, of course, in term of realism.The most logic here is ofc to apply for all, why would anyone run around with gun unless if you actually want to hurt or troll anyone? If you are unwanted then maybe aiming could be the trigger to prevent that you get wanted by mistake but otherwise I ´just don´t see any reason why anyone should be able to get away with violent behavior with guns.
Yes, it's straight out unfair that cops have to "wait" for a criminal to actually start shooting when he's threatening you. It only makes sense to allow cops to kill criminals aswell, BUT if the criminal doesn't shoot back (didn't do any damage before he died) the cop should get wanted. This prevents cops from going on killing sprees, which isn't very cop-like.Not shore about that since it might get abused for trolling, for example if a criminal pick up a minigun and start to aim the cop know that he must respond quick or get killed but even then the criminal might shoot right next to the cop which might look like an attack even when it´s just trolling, the script should be able to handle all this without possibility of getting abused.
There are two types of crimes you can commit, either to earn money or drugs or just killing cops. The first type doesn´t give you long time in jail at all, often not more than 2 minutes witch give you much time to plan your strategies, go afk or just relax. Getting randomly killed as a cop isn´t nice either, it actually cost money to die if you don´t know that. As long you are unwanted you can always plan your strategies while cops can´t due to the risk of getting randomly killed all the time.Well, to me criminal has only one kind of objective: Earn money or jailed, earn drug or jailed, and killing cops or jailed. Jailed equal to failed to criminals. When cop only have absolute one objective: Arrest criminal, no matter how. When they die, come back anytime to try it again.
The most logic here is ofc to apply for all, why would anyone run around with gun unless if you actually want to hurt or troll anyone? If you are unwanted then maybe aiming could be the trigger to prevent that you get wanted by mistake but otherwise I ´just don´t see any reason why anyone should be able to get away with violent behavior with guns.You're right. I just personally thought that outside of server rules, "trolling" isn't equal to "violent". Realistically, when criminal aim at cop, yes that's a threat. But when civilian aim at others, why is that a threat? They can't hurt you anyway, and it's their own disadvantage if they shoot you as they would just waste their ammo for doing that for nothing. But in other side, triggering wanted level for criminal when they aim at cop, while civilian is again, excluded, simply doesn't make sense. At least to me, not sure.
But anyway, back to Stevie's point here I'm disagree about:There is no reason to disagree with that, as Stevie said it is a threat, why would you hold a gun near a cop in the first place unless if you actually want to attack the cop? just don´t run around with guns and you will be just fine. Just because something is allowed doesn´t mean that everyone will do that, if that where the case then you would always see 2-3 criminals hunting for each single cop which you doesn´t see, there aren´t many % of the criminals who hunt for cops compared to the total amount of criminals and the same will apply for the law side as well, only a few cops would actually kill you for holding a gun. First of all the wanted level for that doesn´t even need to be high, lowest possible so you can use /fine as well if you pick up a gun by mistake for example as well as it would give you a short amount of time in jail since it´s not a big crime compared to if you actually killed the cop and you actually mentioned the reason by yourself why not many cops would kill criminals for holding a gun, it would cost more money than you make of it so the feature would obviously only be used for self-defense.
- cops should be able to KILL a criminal that is holding a gun because it's a threat.
@Claire I don´t think that the community want the old rule #1 back, tried to suggest that not long time ago and it got -10 votes
who get's benefits from the new rule? Well in most cases it´s criminals who like to troll or grief cops by randomly killing or similar.Whenever I'm employed as a cop, I simply go AFK when I don't want to involve with such activities. Even when I want to, and they aim at me, shot me, and I die. I'll just go come back and think.. Wow, now that person has worthy wanted level to chase. Well, I don't care about money either, but at least it worth more arrest points.
I don´t see any reason why criminals should be allowed to troll and grief as much as they do.Hmm.. Simply because they are criminals? Well, troll and grief are such excessive words. Criminals are suppose to commit bad things, because they are criminals. And also, isn't it because it's just a game just like you have stated before?
And btw you don´t need to abuse the word "inhumanly", are you running around with guns irl and aim at random people/cops there too or why is it inhumanly? It´s just a game and the gun is still a trigger, remember that you can get killed at any time as a cop without doing anything while criminals still need to do something in order to get arrested or killed.Inhumanly = Lacking kindness, pity, or compassion; cruel. Well, if you want to compare it with real life: In any kind of law, unfortunately, in any country, any department, their law officers aren't allowed to kill anyone except if that one person committed murder or anything equal to, within particular regulations, of course. When someone just aiming cop with gun, the proper allowed response is whether to aim back and request them for surrender, or shot their hands or legs. But again, yeah, it's just a game.
Hmm.. Simply because they are criminals? Well, troll and grief are such excessive words. Criminals are suppose to commit bad things, because they are criminals. And also, isn't it because it's just a game just like you have stated before?Ofc they are supposed, but not without any consequences, there's the point of this. An argument as well is the fact that it is a game, no matter who you are or when you get killed you always respawn soon or later. The question where rather why the ability to aim, shoot right next to or in other ways grief should be given to criminals due to the massive abuse of it. Criminals in CIT are much harder than irl, therefore the cops must be harder as well.
Inhumanly = Lacking kindness, pity, or compassion; cruel. Well, if you want to compare it with real life: In any kind of law, unfortunately, in any country, any department, their law officers aren't allowed to kill anyone except if that one person committed murder or anything equal to, within particular regulations, of course. When someone just aiming cop with gun, the proper allowed response is whether to aim back and request them for surrender, or shot their hands or legs. But again, yeah, it's just a game.Cops irl shoot if someone threat them, not always to kill obviously but still open fire if it´s necessary, just as I said before it´s a game where the risk is much bigger than irl that the criminal actually kill you. And even the most humanly cops in the world would shoot to kill even when it´s "just a provocative person" as you would call it.
Ofc they are supposed, but not without any consequences, there's the point of this.Of course! Just like I said before. I think that the consequence of criminal doing criminal activities is jail. And that's balanced enough, I think, because cop also has those advantages that I stated on my previous posts.
Firstly, the violent status for a criminal should NOT wear off for an infinite amount of time until the criminal is jailed.But disagree with Stevie's second.
This is an abuse, and a must-reported action. Not only criminal doing this. Sometimes medic does this too to help whether law or criminal. Just report them if this happen, it's nothing to do with these rules.CASE 4 : If you didn't call this abuse or trolling or whatever it's called when unwanted criminal use his body as a shield because he can't take damage, so what do you call it, fairness and balanced again?
Let me straighten my point again about "balanced". What's matter is generally about the result. In the end, who won that JFM? I guess cops side, like always been. Because criminals only have one life, and cops could just go back. Also, when criminals kill cops they gain nothing but spend money, but when cops kill criminals they earn money. Well, cop wastes ammo, but at least they get money too.Balanced? Hell no, lets bring up some other images tat tell us more than words: http://i.imgur.com/2SWhAwi.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/2SWhAwi.jpg), getting randomly killed is expensive these days and the chans that you are the one who get your own killer is less than 1 of 100 since other cops will try to get the suspect as well. Healthcare cost around 500$ less or more and then you need like 50-100 M4 bullets (500$ - 1000$) in order to actually kill the suspect while the reward for a 3* criminal is around 1000$ which will decrease during the time if he decide to run away and troll you with his invulnerability. There is no logic that murderers can get invulnerable basically.
See the point? I speak generally, not just about these rules, but also cop's advantages and criminal's and vice versa. And summarizing from that, well, I could say it's balanced for now. And adding Stevie's second point is not needed.