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Title: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Nobody_ on 20 01, 2023, 01:23:14 pm
Hello everybody.

I'm here today to suggest a small improvement to the current system. When you're not wanted, and someone asks to get into your car
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|TR|Magneto wants to enter your vehicle, press 'N' to get wanted which will allow them to enter
, and you press 'N', letting him get in, you get only 10WL.
I'm here to suggest that this value increases, because it's really low. Today it happened to me that we were in an AR, we went out, and between the PCB and the SM (I know it's a little far away), they were ejected 2x (and thats a lot) because I had run out of WL. I believe that about 25wl, or even the same amount of /disturbance (20wl) is enough.

You know what you're doing letting a wanted person into your car. 20wl is not so much as to be considered an abuse, but it is not so little as to eject 2x the crowd.
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Culph on 20 01, 2023, 03:01:59 pm
Seems like a good suggestion but will wait for more players to vote and then I will make my vote. Neutral For now Voting  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Connor on 20 01, 2023, 03:21:55 pm
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Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Impostor on 20 01, 2023, 03:36:40 pm
10 WL is not enough. Driver loses WL too quickly and the other player gets ejected.

Alternatively, instead of having a greater WL upon assisting a wanted criminal, we could have it so the WL never fully decays just as if the criminal was next to a cop.

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Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Arcanus on 20 01, 2023, 05:03:15 pm
I agree with this idea, I am positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Farelinho on 20 01, 2023, 05:21:14 pm
A very easy and harmless change.  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Tunahan on 20 01, 2023, 05:43:04 pm
very useful idea Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Persius#USSF on 20 01, 2023, 11:04:50 pm
good idea might make ppl engage more  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: swe on 22 01, 2023, 05:45:07 pm
useful idea,My vote is positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Damir12#USSF on 22 01, 2023, 07:27:17 pm
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Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: TwCafe on 27 01, 2023, 02:35:37 pm
9 positive votes. Next review will be made next week.
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Emberthal on 27 01, 2023, 03:58:24 pm
I find it a really good idea, if the getaway driver dies, and his partner survives the AR/CE, they could make it to the next AR/CE with a higher amount of WL. Positive.
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: MasSenna on 27 01, 2023, 03:59:46 pm
that good idea. I Agree with that, Positive :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Private on 29 01, 2023, 02:23:10 am
As you said 10 WL is really low and we have to respond with "N" many times because of that. An increase would be great. Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Foster on 29 01, 2023, 07:21:09 pm
Thats a good idea :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: AryanGenetics on 31 01, 2023, 03:15:04 am
Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Metall on 31 01, 2023, 01:23:58 pm
So many times I've given a wanted player a ride only to get him auto-ejected after a few kilometres... This is a great fix to that issue.  :tick:
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Nobody_ on 31 01, 2023, 02:06:05 pm
yea let me call my friend so we keep entering the car over and over till we get APB ? , its fine making wl more higher will just cause it get abused like many things in the server

WHAT?  :dogkek:

Idk if you know, but you will get ONCE 20wp if you are not wanted, your friend will not get any WL, cuz you are the one who is driving. The only thing that change is "Instead 10, 20wl"

And btw, how do you want to farm APB getting 20wl? LOL
Title: Re: Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: TwCafe on 03 02, 2023, 03:14:50 am
17 positive votes. Marked as Medium Priority.
Title: Re: [++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: glock on 03 02, 2023, 06:04:01 pm
well explained, auto-eject thing is really boring. I see no harm in this  :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Gio on 03 02, 2023, 07:22:24 pm
agree with that  :tick:
Title: Re: [++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Dinçer on 04 02, 2023, 06:07:44 pm
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Title: Re: [++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: iFighTeR7 on 08 02, 2023, 05:13:28 pm
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Title: Re: [++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: TwCafe on 10 02, 2023, 02:26:39 am
21 positive votes. Marked as High Priority.
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Travis on 10 02, 2023, 03:35:08 am
 :tick: sounds good especially seeing that it’s giving The person a chance to accept being wanted. But being wanted and having to press N could take up some time im not sure though but it’s a good idea
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Matrix. on 10 02, 2023, 02:03:18 pm
Well, this way players will try to increase their WL to be APB easily, Iam Positive  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Maes on 10 02, 2023, 02:14:50 pm
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Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: AxlRoses on 10 02, 2023, 03:31:50 pm
got ejected when the driver lose his wl is kinda suck  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Stolenn on 10 02, 2023, 08:22:15 pm
Well explained suggestion. An improvement is needed for this system as many of us facing this auto-eject problem everyday. Basically, increasing the wanted point will solve this. Positive.
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Timbery on 11 02, 2023, 02:36:55 pm
The problem here is not whether 10 wanted level points are too much or too less to be given to a non-wanted player so wanted criminals may enter his car... But rather the possibilities of intentional exploits that will be caused by such a suggestion. Bear in mind that non-wanted criminals are not allowed to transport wanted ones as this leads to major exploits, abuses and unfairness.

When a wanted criminal's car gets broken down after a police pursuit, the person in question usually goes on foot and starts running around and tries either to murder the cops who are chasing him or attempts to enter another player's vehicle (that has been driven by a non wanted criminal or civilian) as he is unable to spawn a vehicle himself due to:

- the person in question does not have VIP hours to spawn a vehicle from his garage.
- the person in question does not have DL3 to recover a vehicle from F2.
- the person in question has been recently damaged, hence a 10-seconds restriction is preventing him to recover a vehicle himself.
- even if the person in question manages to spawn a car himself, he will still not be able to recover it instantly, he should wait a couple of seconds until it spawns entirely.

As a matter of fact, you still may witness some players who are trying to aid their wanted friends or group mates while they do not have any wanted level so they cannot be attacked by the opposite team. For instance, quite frequently it happens a non-wanted criminal provides his vehicle to a wanted one so he may escape from a certain location after the wanted suspect's vehicle was taken down. This way the wanted individual is bypassing the listed above restrictions (abusing vehicle recovery) and causing an unfair gameplay environment where the opposite fraction, the police team, is not able to resist the situation that is happening in any way and is not even able to attack the non-wanted individual unless a Police Chief had spectated the situation and had issued wanted level manually.

This is one of the reasons why the below update was even implemented in the first place by Arran and Dimit on the 31st of December, 2020.
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- Fixed highly wanted criminals being able to abuse vehicle recovery with an unwanted friend. (Arran + Dimit)

There were even absurdly ridiculous situations where similar cases were reported to the staff team, but no adequate actions were taken other than complainers being told to contact a Police Chief and ask him to issue a wanted level to the non-wanted criminal that had provided transport to the wanted one(s) (such a request is even in conflict with the Code of Conduct and the internal team's policy and guidebook unless the PC had witnessed the situation and managed to collect a significant amount of evidence).

I am totally negative about the addition of this suggestion due to the reasons and examples stated above, it will cause more harm than good.
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Atheer on 11 02, 2023, 04:48:50 pm
I have an agreement with Timbery on several points, one of them is the intentional exploits, and that's completely unfair. The person will be quickly callin' out his friend to give an assistant while he's unwanted, gives him a ride and both run away.

Negative.  :cros:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Brodax on 11 02, 2023, 05:28:40 pm
I do understand your concern from your point-of-view. But, things are made that way to avoid various exploits that come along with it. Slight changes to such system can cause a big trouble and open opportunities for people to misuse it. :cros:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Nobody_ on 12 02, 2023, 03:46:07 pm
The problem here is not whether 10 wanted level points are too much or too less to be given to a non-wanted player so wanted criminals may enter his car... But rather the possibilities of intentional exploits that will be caused by such a suggestion. Bear in mind that non-wanted criminals are not allowed to transport wanted ones as this leads to major exploits, abuses and unfairness.

When a wanted criminal's car gets broken down after a police pursuit, the person in question usually goes on foot and starts running around and tries either to murder the cops who are chasing him or attempts to enter another player's vehicle (that has been driven by a non wanted criminal or civilian) as he is unable to spawn a vehicle himself due to:

- the person in question does not have VIP hours to spawn a vehicle from his garage.
- the person in question does not have DL3 to recover a vehicle from F2.
- the person in question has been recently damaged, hence a 10-seconds restriction is preventing him to recover a vehicle himself.
- even if the person in question manages to spawn a car himself, he will still not be able to recover it instantly, he should wait a couple of seconds until it spawns entirely.

As a matter of fact, you still may witness some players who are trying to aid their wanted friends or group mates while they do not have any wanted level so they cannot be attacked by the opposite team. For instance, quite frequently it happens a non-wanted criminal provides his vehicle to a wanted one so he may escape from a certain location after the wanted suspect's vehicle was taken down. This way the wanted individual is bypassing the listed above restrictions (abusing vehicle recovery) and causing an unfair gameplay environment where the opposite fraction, the police team, is not able to resist the situation that is happening in any way and is not even able to attack the non-wanted individual unless a Police Chief had spectated the situation and had issued wanted level manually.

This is one of the reasons why the below update was even implemented in the first place by Arran and Dimit on the 31st of December, 2020.
There were even absurdly ridiculous situations where similar cases were reported to the staff team, but no adequate actions were taken other than complainers being told to contact a Police Chief and ask him to issue a wanted level to the non-wanted criminal that had provided transport to the wanted one(s) (such a request is even in conflict with the Code of Conduct and the internal team's policy and guidebook unless the PC had witnessed the situation and managed to collect a significant amount of evidence).

I am totally negative about the addition of this suggestion due to the reasons and examples stated above, it will cause more harm than good.

 If a wanted player tries to enter a vehicle driven by an unwanted player, the driver can press N to get wanted to allow them to enter. (Arran + Matrix) (https://cit.gg/index.php?topic=386954.30)


Take a look at this, and then, read what I've suggested once again. IDK if you know, but its already existe, once you are not wanted and a wanted criminal try to glue or get a ride with you, you have the option to accept the ride and get wanted, or not.
My suggestion is: Once you accept the ride, you will get 20WL, instead 10. Here is not the place the deny a suggestion that already exist :fp:


I do understand your concern from your point-of-view. But, things are made that way to avoid various exploits that come along with it. Slight changes to such system can cause a big trouble and open opportunities for people to misuse it. :cros:

Which exploit? The system already works fine, just need to increase the WL that you got, like /disturbance .

I have an agreement with Timbery on several points, one of them is the intentional exploits, and that's completely unfair. The person will be quickly callin' out his friend to give an assistant while he's unwanted, gives him a ride and both run away.
Negative.  :cros:

Again, which exploits? 

In my opinion, this suggestion made the car recovery restriction useless because it was made to prevent any abuse of the VIP recovery to occur, now if you have an unwanted criminal friend near you while you are wanted on foot it's like you don't have any restrictions anymore and you can move freely from car to another if you have enough mates to help you which means huge increases in the number of the APBs daily.   :cros:

So to bring fairness, cops also couldn't share a car to chase a wanted criminal, right? And all criminals shoud drive your own car too, right?
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Timbery on 15 02, 2023, 02:23:05 pm
If a wanted player tries to enter a vehicle driven by an unwanted player, the driver can press N to get wanted to allow them to enter. (Arran + Matrix) (https://cit.gg/index.php?topic=386954.30)


Take a look at this, and then, read what I've suggested once again. IDK if you know, but its already existe, once you are not wanted and a wanted criminal try to glue or get a ride with you, you have the option to accept the ride and get wanted, or not.
My suggestion is: Once you accept the ride, you will get 20WL, instead 10. Here is not the place the deny a suggestion that already exist :fp:

I do not really see a huge improvement in the cases of exploits and abuses of VIP recovery even with that update which was implemented some months ago. There should rather be added some restrictions to the situations I listed in previous post. As far as I see, the existence or not of this feature does not really decrease the abuses of VIP recovery as per what I have witnessed in the past 3 months...

Here is just one of the cases I managed to record and have solid evidence of:
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https://youtu.be/Fuxasn-7o7w

Anyways, you may ignore my previous vote and consider me as positive, but yet there is a huge room for improvement of all those situations which are related to this feature (not specially to "you get 20 WL when you press N"), but in general.
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Nobody_ on 15 02, 2023, 02:32:30 pm
I got it, but It has nothing to do with the current suggestion.
You can suggest something to prevent it like "If you are not wanted and a wanted joined to drive your vehicle, you will get 20 WL", once IRL if you help a wanted guy, its considerede accomplice.  :o7:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Roukas on 15 02, 2023, 04:11:23 pm
I think that this idea would be a very good addition since I myself ran into some criminals unable to escape a situation due to the ejection they get from the car. If we look at this from a cop point of view it is of course better since the wanted criminal being out of the car give the law side an advantage. Overall there are already enough advantages when playing as a cop and this change would make the aspect of chasing criminals more interesting instead of forcing the criminal side to only host riots and joining events to play on equal ground.
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Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Vishal on 18 02, 2023, 07:27:20 pm
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Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Mikey. on 19 02, 2023, 12:05:25 pm
good idea  :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: ultrAslan on 19 02, 2023, 04:16:38 pm
an discussion that will benefit both the criminal side and the police side who will kill them :tick:
Title: Re: [+++] Increased WL for when you are not wanted and give a wanted a ride
Post by: Arran on 19 02, 2023, 06:25:55 pm
- Giving a wanted player a ride will now give 20 wanted points instead of 10. (Arran + Noubody)