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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #60 on: 08 09, 2019, 01:52:54 pm »
Exploring the universe is an amazing procedure. It's also really sad that we can't travel at really high speeds. The distances in the universe are so huge, it would take us millions and billions of years to travel to other galaxies.
Voyager 1 was launched at 1977 and it's not even 1 light year away from earth.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #61 on: 13 09, 2019, 03:47:42 pm »
Everyone has their own believings, some might believe that we're not alone and some will believe that we're alone. No one really knows if there's something else except us and no one didn't even really prove it. All the smart ass space people are still in search of extraterrestrial life, nothing has been found yet.

This explains everything. Source: https://gsas.harvard.edu/news/stories/are-we-alone-universe
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #62 on: 28 09, 2019, 06:30:31 am »
"Are we alone in the universe" "Are we not alone in the universe" these both is equally terrifying, there were many attempts by many countries to see if alien even exists, I believe alien a bit and a bit nope, but maybe in black hole/bermuda triangle, there is a another place where we can live, there was a incident that a plane was gone for 30 years and when they returned they were shocked why all were old comparing to them? As who they saw were young then them, they said that they went for a day, but it was actually 30 years.

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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #63 on: 28 09, 2019, 09:00:36 am »
"Are we alone in the universe" "Are we not alone in the universe" these both is equally terrifying, there were many attempts by many countries to see if alien even exists, I believe alien a bit and a bit nope, but maybe in black hole/bermuda triangle, there is a another place where we can live, there was a incident that a plane was gone for 30 years and when they returned they were shocked why all were old comparing to them? As who they saw were young then them, they said that they went for a day, but it was actually 30 years.
About the bermuda triangle scientist said that there are hexagon clouds or something like this which makes wind up to 500+ km/h and that is why boats and airplanes take down, they create large waves which makes the boats drown. (This is what scientist said I don't know is it true)
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #64 on: 28 09, 2019, 11:44:27 am »
"Are we alone in the universe" "Are we not alone in the universe" these both is equally terrifying, there were many attempts by many countries to see if alien even exists, I believe alien a bit and a bit nope, but maybe in black hole/bermuda triangle, there is a another place where we can live, there was a incident that a plane was gone for 30 years and when they returned they were shocked why all were old comparing to them? As who they saw were young then them, they said that they went for a day, but it was actually 30 years.

Indeed, there are many theories about black hole and wormhole, which leads to another world or such, but whatever you do and whatever the possibilities are a theory and not a fact, but there is only one way to prove this thing is to gather all the technological energy in the spacecraft and they pass through this The hole is to see what happens but there has to be some way to go back and tell them what happened and what is there.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #65 on: 29 09, 2019, 09:04:22 pm »
There are more than 1,300,000 different species of animals on Earth, yet only humans are capable of going to space. This means that on Earth, only 1/1,300,000+ of all life, is intelligent life which is AN EXTREMELY SMALL %.

Yet, you guys believe there's tons of intelligent extraterrestrials out there, NAH.

Even on Earth, nearly a million from those 1.3+ million species, are insects. So even animals such as dogs, are pretty rare.


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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #66 on: 02 10, 2019, 02:25:25 am »
There are more than 1,300,000 different species of animals on Earth, yet only humans are capable of going to space. This means that on Earth, only 1/1,300,000+ of all life, is intelligent life which is AN EXTREMELY SMALL %.

Yet, you guys believe there's tons of intelligent extraterrestrials out there, NAH.

Even on Earth, nearly a million from those 1.3+ million species, are insects. So even animals such as dogs, are pretty rare.
No, the number is actually even higher but the AMOUNT OF SPECIES does not collude with the amount of INTELLIGENT LIFE. Also if every species had the same amount of living beings on a planet, only than you could bring this argument. But we are getting close to 8 BILLION humans on this planet, who (besides you and most people playing on CIT) should be considered as intelligent life. We can assume that the dominating species on a planet will develop too.
Also, given enough time, any life will develop to intelligent life.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #67 on: 02 10, 2019, 12:43:51 pm »
There are more than 1,300,000 different species of animals on Earth, yet only humans are capable of going to space. This means that on Earth, only 1/1,300,000+ of all life, is intelligent life which is AN EXTREMELY SMALL %.

Yet, you guys believe there's tons of intelligent extraterrestrials out there, NAH.

Even on Earth, nearly a million from those 1.3+ million species, are insects. So even animals such as dogs, are pretty rare.
What? All those are living spieces. If we find fishes on another planet that still makes those fishes alien. It doesn't mean that alien spieces must be intelligent.
But once more, there are many possibilities that there intelligent alien spieces on another planet.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #68 on: 02 10, 2019, 08:24:39 pm »
Also if every species had the same amount of living beings on a planet, only than you could bring this argument.

WRONG, nonsense logic. And there's several species with wayyy more than us in population. I think you mean "total population" I'll show that below, first lets show that we're not the most populous species:

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The original question asked for “animal” species, and organisms like bacteria are prokaryotes, not animals. But now that the word “animal” has been removed, I’ll include microscopic organisms. The species Prochlorococcus marinus (the Prochlorococcus Cyanobacteria found in the ocean) has numbers upwards of 3 octillion (in layman’s terms, 1 trillion times 1 trillion times 3,000). That’s the most populous species on earth!


If we’re only interested in animals, the species Cyclothone pallida (tan bristlemouth fish) is probably the most populous animal on earth. Their numbers are at least 500,000,000,000,000,000 (500 quadrillion), 4 times the population of all species of flies, 50 times the population of all species of ants, and 65 million times the population of human beings. Shockingly, that’s only 0.00000002% of the aforementioned Prochlorococcus marinus population!

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The genus musca (flies) and the genus formica (wood ants) have substantial populations, so let’s examine species within each genus.

The species Musca domestica (houseflies) could number as high as 100,000,000,000,000,000 (100 quadrillion), which amounts to 20% of the tan bristlemouth fish population.

The population of the species Camponotus pennsylvanicus (black carpenter ants) is estimated to be 30,000,000,000,000,000 (30 quadrillion), or 6% of the tan bristlemouth fish population.

Certain species of mosquitoes could certainly number more than 1 quadrillion.

Some species are close to our population:

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Other than fish and insects, mammals are counted in much smaller numbers, but several species have surpassed the 1 billion mark.

Mus musculus (house mice) - over 10 billion

Homo sapiens (human beings) - 7.725 billion as of this post in 2019

Rattus rattus (black rats) - at least 3 billion

Rattus norvegicus (brown rats) - at least 3 billion

Sus scrofa (boars and pigs) - over 1 billion

Bos taurus (cows) - around 1 billion

Ovis aries (sheep) - around 1 billion

And actually we shouldn't look at them individually because there's only one human race, yet there's a lot of different bird species.

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About 10 years ago, two scientists decided to estimate the total number of birds on the planet. The number they came up with was 200 to 400 billion individual birds. Compared to 5 billion people, this amounts to about 40 to 60 birds per person.

I could go on and on, but no need. You have google and can research on your own.



Also, given enough time, any life will develop to intelligent life.

;D ;D we'll see

What? All those are living spieces. If we find fishes on another planet that still makes those fishes alien. It doesn't mean that alien spieces must be intelligent.

Intelligent alien life has to be intelligent  :fp:

Didn't you guys say "they are more civilized and advanced than us" how is that possible if they are not intelligent  「(゚ペ) nice logic

But once more, there are many possibilities that there intelligent alien spieces on another planet.

Spices? Which herbs?

Lets go out of total animal population for the sake of that guy called @isi3456789 in stead of by amount of species.

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Sticking to the species we do know about, let's look at some amazing numbers for particular groups of animals. Scientists believe there are over seven billion humans in the world today. That's a staggering number, but there are more chickens (over 18 billion) than humans. At least we humans do outnumber cattle (1.4 billion) and sheep (1.1 billion).

Those numbers pale in comparison to the insect world, though. For example, scientists estimate there are over 10,000 trillion ants alive at any one time. Based upon those numbers, some scientists estimate the total insect population at 10 quintillion, which is 10 billion billion! That figure has led at least one expert to estimate the total animal population on Earth to be about 20 quintillion, or 20 billion billion!

Human population: 7.7 billion
Total animal population: estimated 20 quintillion

(7.7 billion divided by 20 quintillion)*100 = 3.85e-8 %

Only 3.85e-8 % of all animals on Earth is intelligent life. Yet you think there are tons of intelligent life out there LMAO nah bro sorry to burst your bubble.

who (besides you and most people playing on CIT) should be considered as intelligent life

A person who believes in fictitious species with big heads on other planets with absolute zero concrete evidence isn't considered intelligent  ;D

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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #69 on: 02 10, 2019, 08:42:21 pm »
Just OhhKarim who calls everyone unintelligent and cant even understand basic arguments. Then he goes ahead and post facepalms to everyone who disagrees with him because apparently we are all unintelligent because we believe something that actually exists based on possibilities lol. Just like those people who don't believe in anything they can't see, except god of course.
So here I am trying to explain my simple unintelligent argument.
Gonna make it simple of course because I am unintelligent.
Fish on earth = animal
Another fish like spiece on another planet = still an animal but an alien.
Human on earth = animal
Another intelligent spiece on another planet = still an animal but alien.
Aliens don't have to be intelligent, they don't have to seek for living spieces in other planets, they don't have to swim. As long as there are more living spieces in other planets then we are not alone in the universe.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #70 on: 02 10, 2019, 08:56:27 pm »
I said I am specifically talking about intelligent life, I believe there might be bacteria etc. Not more.


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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #71 on: 02 10, 2019, 09:03:06 pm »
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A person who believes in fictitious species with big heads on other planets with absolute zero concrete evidence isn't considered intelligent  ;D
Guess you are the intelligent one. The NASA scientists who constantly try to contact intelligent alien spieces with many methods are so dumb. Let's hope an intelligent person like you closes that NASA department in the future since it's probably waste of money.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #72 on: 03 10, 2019, 02:42:52 pm »
Fermi paradox - is a kind of question like "Where is everyone?". Nowadays, we think that our planet and everything related to Earth is quite a natural phenomenon. And it would be weird if life on Earth is something absolutely unique phenomenon. It was unknown information in the period of time when Fermi was alive, but now we know that exoplanets are a very common thing and also very widespread. Also almost all the stars of Sun type  have planetary systems. We can already see a large number of Earth-size objects among other planets. Unfortunately, we are not capable of studying Earth-size exoplanet's atmosphere, but we are on the way to learn how to do it. No doubt have, that Earth-like planets around stars of the Sun type are very frequent in so-called habitable zones, where liquid water can exist. Exactly in this place, astronomy ends and biology begins: if you'll leave a jar of water of a size of 100000 km and leave it for a billion years, would anything be conceived there or not? But we have only one example of such "experiment"  - our civilization. According to Darwin's evolution, new life forms will pass way from stone-axe to rocketships and, therefore, will become a noticeable phenomenon on a Galaxy scale. And having sufficiently sensitive radio telescopes we would be able to see ourselves from a distance at least as far as relatively distant stars are located and technical progress cant be stopped that easily. And enhanced instrumentation will provide us the possibility to see a civilization like ours in another part of the Galaxy. So, it is important to understand that Fermi paradox is not a joke, it is a real scientific fact which can be called as "The Great Silence"
As a result of very serious, very focused and large-scaled activities that took part in 1960-1970, it was concluded that AT LEAST, technical civilizations like our are a very rare phenomenon. "Very rare" is this case may mean two things:
  • Rarely appears
  • Live short life

Further, there happens quite a rapid collapsing of radio electronics development, when all those electronics had been radiating radio waves. Only 100 years ago Earth was not "visible" from space at all, in 1940 there were a lot of radars which sent a lot of radio waves in all directions, then there came TV which, of course, radiates very much in all directions. And it seemed that of we last it a bit longer than in hundred years such civilization would be "visible" with our radio telescopes from the other end of the Galaxy. But it is essential to understand that the time of technological development right now measures in tens of years and the Galaxy's lifetime is ten billion years and it became quite clear that the number of radars won't increase. As for TV - right now it is more about cable TV and Internet. If in the case of radars and TV we are "visible" from other stars but in the case of internet it is VERY hard to detect us from the nearest star. And again it has becme quite clear that technical civilization should not necessarily get detectable.
If we recall a well-known and fantastically simple Drake's equation. This equation is just a result of the calculation of several coefficients, several magnitudes, which reflect a probability of the existence of Earth-type planets, chance of life and etc. From astronomy prospective those coefficients are big. In the next years we will learn how to analyze atmospheres of such planets and it will become clear are atmospheres more or less similar to our planet and most likely it will become a biological or anthropological issue. And here is what Karim was talking about: there is a high chance for bacteria or small creatures to exist somewhere, but chance for small creature to be capable to design and build radio telescope is much lower. And, probably, this will somehow explain Fermi paradox. But as for now in spite of a very persistent search for signals, we didn't find anything. Meanwhile, observations are going on/ Except things like Breakthrough_Listen and other private projects, EACH large radio telescope's observing program has a point about aliens.
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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #73 on: 03 10, 2019, 02:44:42 pm »
Guess you are the intelligent one. The NASA scientists who constantly try to contact intelligent alien spieces with many methods are so dumb.

Keyword: "try"

Because, even they, have no concrete evidence of aliens. It's like tossing a coin in a fountain and hoping your dreams come true, "doesn't hurt to try" is their logic. If a space agency has no evidence, and you still believe in aliens, that makes no sense.

Let's hope an intelligent person like you closes that NASA department in the future since it's probably waste of money.

Unfortunately people are wasting money everyday already, individual people won't change that.


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Re: Are we alone in the universe?
« Reply #74 on: 03 10, 2019, 04:07:27 pm »
I said I am specifically talking about intelligent life, I believe there might be bacteria etc. Not more.
Yeah that's exactly what happend on this planet. We humans, and every other being on this planet, evolved from bacteria.

If you could coprehend the vast distances in the universe and the time it takes light to travel from A to B on that scale, you would understand that there have been, currently are, and probably will be tons of intelligent life around the universe.
We just can't use a telescope to zoom in a fuckton of Lightyears into another galaxy onto a planet which contains intelligence.
It's no Google Maps. So yeah, no EVIDENCE buddy.

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I have given up on him, @Nikos, either that guy is too stubborn to admit that there is 0 reason to believe that we are the only active intelligent people in this universe, or he is just dumb.
I think either way, he is too ignorant to acknowledge any other opinion and just say "huh maybe ya'll right"
That's why I will stop responding to him in this thread.
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