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Helping Poor People
« on: 11 08, 2019, 02:57:57 pm »
As what the title says, Helping Poor People Yes. You hear me right. Have you ever thought of helping homeless people or even just give them a little amount of money to buy food? Every time I walked by at the side walk in my area, I saw at least an old man a homeless and he doesn't have anything, he even begged for a little amount of money for him to buy, I usually give about 50-100 PhP (2-3$ US Dollar) if that's my lowest in my purse/pocket. The reason why I gave him that amount of "Huge" money at least here in Philippines; because there are a lot of people who just ignored the old man who's begging. I somehow felt sad because I just can't look away from him and wondering what's happen to his family.  Almost everyday I see him there lying in the Fly Over and it's dirty, and he doesn't have any cloths on him; just pants. For some reason, I don't know why I gave him a 2 white t-shirt at least just to help him cover from cold (cuz usually its cold when its early in the morning) or because he remind of me someone. Every time he sees me he usually say this word "Salamat kaayo" it means Thank you very much that's a Filipino (Cebuano) language. I felt appreciated when someone says that to me and thankful for him for saying that. really appreciated it.

Have you guys ever experienced doing this? Please tell me your thoughts and share it to us, I would like to hear your story as well. Feel free to post that's kinda similar to what I shared. I will be reading your comment and reply asap.  :)
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #1 on: 11 08, 2019, 03:29:26 pm »
Here in the UK we hear of people pretending to be homeless and beg because they can earn so much, they're evil and are just putting people off wanting to help the actually poor people. Here we also worry that we're just going to be giving them money so they can buy drugs. I can only recall one time a beggar was actually asking for food while I was eating a baguette sandwich so I tore some off and gave it to him, which certainly felt better than giving someone money that you don't know what they'll do with. IMO if you're going to give someone money, give them whatever change you've got as I would imagine that if they were going to go buy drugs with it, their drug dealer wouldn't accept a load of change.

It's good you're helping that man and you might think why should I help him when nobody else is, well it's scientifically proven that you feel better helping others than helping yourself.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #2 on: 11 08, 2019, 03:36:25 pm »
Here in the UK we hear of people pretending to be homeless and beg because they can earn so much, they're evil and are just putting people off wanting to help the actually poor people. Here we also worry that we're just going to be giving them money so they can buy drugs. I can only recall one time a beggar was actually asking for food while I was eating a baguette sandwich so I tore some off and gave it to him, which certainly felt better than giving someone money that you don't know what they'll do with. IMO if you're going to give someone money, give them whatever change you've got as I would imagine that if they were going to go buy drugs with it, their drug dealer wouldn't accept a load of change.

It's good you're helping that man and you might think why should I help him when nobody else is, well it's scientifically proven that you feel better helping others than helping yourself.
Yep, here in Egypt too, when I was so younger from now, I was giving them the money I got, but after sometime I knew about these beggars are liars, after that I didn't give money for any of these beggars
Sometimes they're rich and have many houses, but sometimes they really need that help but not usually you find a real homeless person, they're all with houses but just don't wanna work.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #3 on: 11 08, 2019, 06:30:36 pm »
There are a lot of people who exploit the emotions of people and these people are begging to earn more money than many working people. Finding really poor people and support them fine but someone at street you don't know you should give them useful things food clothes etc.


it's good to help really poor people, but as long as you're careful and clever with emotion exploiters.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #4 on: 11 08, 2019, 06:34:23 pm »
Beggars are usually not homeless, they just act like that, sit on the ground and beg for money, then at night go back to their home. I've seen women slap their children to make them cry, so people will feel guilty and give them money.

Here's a viral video that reminded me of this topic;



However, there's actual homeless people who are eating from trash cans. You should give money to those. Also, it's actually better to buy food and give it to them, because then they won't be able to use the money on drugs/cigarettes. If they deny your request/seem angry, then they are either addicts or fake homeless people, real homeless people would be very happy if you bought them some food.

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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #5 on: 12 08, 2019, 02:07:26 am »
Here in the UK we hear of people pretending to be homeless and beg because they can earn so much, they're evil and are just putting people off wanting to help the actually poor people. Here we also worry that we're just going to be giving them money so they can buy drugs. I can only recall one time a beggar was actually asking for food while I was eating a baguette sandwich so I tore some off and gave it to him, which certainly felt better than giving someone money that you don't know what they'll do with. IMO if you're going to give someone money, give them whatever change you've got as I would imagine that if they were going to go buy drugs with it, their drug dealer wouldn't accept a load of change.

It's good you're helping that man and you might think why should I help him when nobody else is, well it's scientifically proven that you feel better helping others than helping yourself.

I agree, it is better to buy food and give it to the homeless because sometimes who knows that they get so much money from the people that given to them and actually just going to buy a drug.

Beggars are usually not homeless, they just act like that, sit on the ground and beg for money, then at night go back to their home. I've seen women slap their children to make them cry, so people will feel guilty and give them money.

Oh I totally agree with this one, caught twice a mother or father slapping their children to make them cry and then letting them roam around to beg. Sometimes people will give them a huge amount of pesos (Currency which I mentioned already) and then realize that those kid who got the money is taken from their parents. Probably to play mahjong or other gambling game.  Not even buying food for their children who is hungry.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #6 on: 12 08, 2019, 01:18:01 pm »
Well I know the percentage is so low but addiction can be a result of homelessness too . The difficult conditions of living on the street, having to find food, struggling with ill-health, and being constantly away from loved ones creates a highly stressful state of being Individuals suffering from homelessness and it may cause a drug addiction response to the harsh lifestyle of feeling threatened by violence,starvation, and lack of shelter and love. I know drugs are not the right solution, but most of the people try to leave this world for some mins, so they can live happy for a short period of time and when it's over they try to get back there by asking for money to buy more drugs and in that case you're helping them but not so much as it will affect thier body's badly
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #7 on: 13 08, 2019, 01:11:07 pm »
Here in the United States, homeless people are not actually homeless, they just prefer to stay outside of what the government gives them which doesn’t make them need money or such, that’s why most of the time we don’t give beggars here. I did the same as Arran once when I saw an actual homeless person in McDonalds, I went over to the counter and bought him some food. Though in Egypt (the place where I was born), I’ve heard many stories regarding homeless people having millions in their banks and getting caught and arrested. Best thing to do is just give them what they actually need not money.

Here’s this source which I saw a few days ago, though it happened a long time ago: https://wtvr.com/2017/05/23/micha-leigh-dominguez-arrest/
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #8 on: 13 08, 2019, 05:34:37 pm »
Here in the United States, homeless people are not actually homeless, they just prefer to stay outside of what the government gives them which doesn’t make them need money or such, that’s why most of the time we don’t give beggars here. I did the same as Arran once when I saw an actual homeless person in McDonalds, I went over to the counter and bought him some food. Though in Egypt (the place where I was born), I’ve heard many stories regarding homeless people having millions in their banks and getting caught and arrested. Best thing to do is just give them what they actually need not money.

Here’s this source which I saw a few days ago, though it happened a long time ago: https://wtvr.com/2017/05/23/micha-leigh-dominguez-arrest/

Interesting topic you've got there. Yes, you are definitely right. I saw a lot of videos that there are some people are like that and eventually some are just pretending to be a disabled person and stay in the street to begged and people will pity him because he is disabled; but the person who's showing empathy to this guy did not know that this person is just actually pretending to be disabled just to get a little amount of money, you know. It happened all around the whole world; some get caught and some got arrested for lying. Apparently, I have a video to share and don't mind the language. I'm sure there's some plenty of videos out there that you could share regarding to this matter.



For me, I just happened to help but I don't do it frequently; just maybe twice in a month (giving a little amount of money). Most of the time I give is a biscuit or food.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #9 on: 15 08, 2019, 12:40:50 pm »
If they ask for food, offer to take them to a bakery or something. That way you can weed out the frauds.

The best way to help poor people is to let the markets work. Before the accumulation of capital began in the Industrial Revolution, 90% of people were living in poverty. Now that number is many times lower, and it would be even lower if the markets were less taxed and regulated.

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According to the most recent estimates, in 2015, 10 percent of the world’s population lived on less than US$1.90 a day, compared to 11 percent in 2013. That’s down from nearly 36 percent in 1990.


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And what happened around 1990? The liberalizing of the markets worldwide and the fall of communism, that's what happened.

I say this as someone who has experienced what it means to be poor in a developing country, and I was experiencing it for years. The kind of poverty I've experienced cannot be measured with what "poor people" experience in the US and similarly developed countries. They have iPhones, air-conditioned living space,  internet and so many other things. I couldn't afford an air-con up until a few years ago, and there were a couple of times I didn't have electricity (but rarely). The only thing that helped me was market capitalism and the ability to start a small business, to work for myself. And yet the government makes it so hard, with their taxes, regulations and corruption that cripple small business in the name of "social justice!"

The average household income would be significantly higher per year if government intervention had been less rigorous in the past century. Seemingly insignificant gains in GDP translate into tremendous improvements of  living standards over time.  And higher levels of taxation and regulation stifle GDP growth. I can't find the link now, but there was a study that suggested the average US household income would be around $900.000 per year if GDP growth had been higher, e.g. +1%  to +2% per year in the past one and a half centuries or so.  And the same would apply to similarly developed countries.

With that kind of income, there would be enough  money laying around to help even more poor people.

All countries would benefit from this high GDP because of something called the Convergence in economics, i.e. poor countries can use the technology and "know-how" from richer countries, accelerating their GDP growth.  link

Left-wing politicians like to keep the poor people poor in the name of helping the poor. And they have fancy government jobs with high salaries that feed on taxes. Just hilarious.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #10 on: 15 08, 2019, 10:57:06 pm »
Left-wing politicians like to keep the poor people poor in the name of helping the poor. And they have fancy government jobs with high salaries that feed on taxes. Just hilarious.

Boom, this!

Here in the UK, people on minimum wage were earning enough to pay income tax. It was the Conservative party that increased the personal allowance (the amount you can earn before paying income tax) not the Labour party which are the ones who are meant to be for the working class. Wow, people are so stupid to actually support socialist parties which clearly don't actually give a shit about helping who they're supposed to be for. These Labour morons actually made something called "working tax credits" so instead of just not making them pay income tax in the first place, they'd make them pay income tax and then basically give them money back with nonsense like this, I presume to create an illusion that they were actually helping people by giving them this, since most people must be too stupid to realise they're no better off when they had to pay for those benefits in taxes and if you actually calculated all the taxes you paid and the money you lose from government created inflation, most people will be paying more than they get and if you could simulate a reality without all the bullshit laws like the laws that make certain plants illegal, we would all be living in a much better world.

Even now still, poor people are paying taxes. Even a homeless person has to pay value added tax when buying most products in shops. Then anyone living in a house has to pay council tax which is a tax on being alive, which seems to only exist to remind us that we're just like slaves who have to pay to live on our masters plantation called the UK and if you don't pay the slave master, some house slaves (soulless slaves who choose some benefits in exchange for enslaving their fellow slaves) will lock you up.

To all the young readers here, you might be drawn to supporting / voting for a socialist party, I know I was at one point, but when you think about it logically, you see the truth. If you want the world to get better, you want the least amount of government (slavery) possible, so ideally none. The world will not get better from taxing people because taxation is another word for slavery, which violates the natural law rights of those being taxed, which is everyone. The total good from good acts you do from the result of an evil act can't be greater than the total evil in the first place.

Even if you think, well what about those people with billions of dollars, what do they need that money for when others are homeless? Well first of all, do you even see any socialist governments actually giving a shit about the homeless to actually stop them being homeless? No. (Except Finland according to a quick search) Do you see any socialist governments making sure that poor people aren't paying any taxes? No. (There might be some, I'm not stating fact) So although governments do take a large portion of high earners income it clearly isn't being redistributed to those who actually need it most. So lets say if there really was no taxes at all meaning that these billionaires got to keep all those billions? Who cares? If you care, that would be YOUR problem, your problem for choosing to feel lack of abundance because you choose to compare yourself to a billionaire. We could all do that right now even with these tax rates and make ourselves feel negative emotions. Just remember that these people are doing something so well that people are happy to give them money, when you buy something and make a billionaire even richer, you are also being made even richer by them as you now have a product or service that you wanted more than the money you gave them. Both parties are better off than before the transaction. Though obviously there are some billionaires who got their money from evil acts like oil companies who destroy the environment, etc.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #11 on: 16 08, 2019, 09:20:15 am »
It's good to know that you're a supporter of smaller government, Arran.

The main problem with left-wing politicians is they target the "greedy rich" in their speeches, but then the rest of us get to pay the tax bills for their ineffective or inefficient programs.

It's a fraud, really.

Billionaires are a small portion of the population and can't alone pay for left-wing programs in the long-run. And they contribute a lot as they keep most of their money in stocks. The companies can then use the money for R&D, resulting in better products and services for regular people.  The companies can also employ more people with the money.

The rhetoric targets the billionaires, but then small business owners and employees get to pay the bills because billionaires are too important for the economy, and the politicians are aware of this. 

Even in the left-wing utopia of Sweden, for example, 50% of average income goes to the government once we calculate the value-added tax, social security taxes, income tax and other things.

It's not the rich who pay those taxes. It's the regular people.

Yes, the government does provide services there, but to me, it's a huge rip-off to pay 50% of  income.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #12 on: 16 08, 2019, 12:29:02 pm »
It's good to help the poor people but we shouldn't give our money to the beggars who are in the streets. Most of them are rich and they're just begging for money. Instead help the charities since they investigate a lot in order to find the real ones.

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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #13 on: 19 08, 2019, 04:04:47 pm »
It's good to help the poor people but we shouldn't give our money to the beggars who are in the streets. Most of them are rich and they're just begging for money. Instead help the charities since they investigate a lot in order to find the real ones.

Right, you are exactly correct about this. But at least giving a little bit of money doesn't do anything bad at least we can call it as being a "Good Samaritan" to the people whom you helped with.
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Re: Helping Poor People
« Reply #14 on: 20 08, 2019, 08:45:01 am »
You can not help to poor peoples in this topic. I think , country leaders can open new organizations to help poor people.  These organizations need to be audited because the assistance received.
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